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From: Enrico Weigelt <weigelt@metux.de>
To: linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: cross-compiling alternatives (was Re: [PATCH 0/1] Embedded Maintainer(s)...)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 06:23:11 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080616042310.GH12962@nibiru.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080614003102.GB30652@shareable.org>

* Jamie Lokier <jamie@shareable.org> schrieb:

> > > E.g. in python there are tests which call functions and check 
> > > their result to see if we are currently on a platform where 
> > > that function is broken (I think there was such a test for 
> > > poll() and some other functions).
> > 
> > IMHO, that's broken sw engineering from ground up.
> 
> Oh?  The alternative I see is to do the test at run-time.  But that
> adds to executable size and run-time slowdown on most platforms.

There's no generic answer to this, we have to look at the details
carefully ;-P

Most times I've seen those checks, they silently enable some 
features, eg. if it looks for certain kernel devices. Definitively
the wrong way! It really should be in users/packagers control to
explicitly enable features. Nevertheless, the existence of some
file or device says nothing about whether it will be usable
(or *should* be used) at runtime. I've seen packages silently
enabling some feature and then failing at runtime since the 
previously detected device is missing later. What a nightamare 
for packagers.

Another point are broken syscalls. Well, you *have* check at runtime 
to be sure, or perhaps choose to ignore it and expect a sane system.

*If* you really want to do constraint checks, you should do it 
as an separate, optional step. Maybe issue a big-fat hint that 
one really should run that test (and follow certain instructions)
if he don't exactly know what he's doing.

> Doing it at build time is an improvement, for those people who don't
> care about cross-compilation.  (Not me, you understand.)

IMHO, it's just lazyness, at least for about 99% of the cases ;-P


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Thread overview: 182+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <1209577322.25560.402.camel@pmac.infradead.org>
     [not found] ` <87bq3rgq40.fsf@basil.nowhere.org>
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     [not found]     ` <1209582709.25560.441.camel-ZP4jZrcIevRpWr+L1FloEB2eb7JE58TQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-05-28 21:52       ` [PATCH 0/1] Embedded Maintainer(s), linux-embedded@vger list Rob Landley
2008-06-09 21:27         ` Leon Woestenberg
2008-06-10  3:53           ` Rob Landley
2008-06-10  4:30             ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-06-10  6:55               ` Rob Landley
2008-06-10  7:54                 ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-06-10  9:09                   ` Wolfgang Denk
2008-06-10 13:12                     ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-10 13:25                       ` Will Newton
2008-06-10 13:33                         ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-10 13:47                           ` Will Newton
2008-06-10 13:53                             ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-10 14:00                               ` Grant Likely
2008-06-10 14:01                             ` Wolfgang Denk
2008-06-10 14:29                               ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-11  5:34                             ` Rob Landley
2008-06-10 13:49                         ` Wolfgang Denk
2008-06-11  5:25                           ` Rob Landley
2008-06-12 18:18                             ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-12 18:55                               ` Wolfgang Denk
2008-06-12 20:55                                 ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-15 21:48                               ` Rob Landley
2008-06-17 14:11                                 ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-10 13:47                       ` Wolfgang Denk
2008-06-10 10:20                   ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-10 10:36                     ` Adrian Bunk
2008-06-10 10:50                     ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-06-11  5:28                       ` Paul Mundt
2008-06-10 17:36                   ` Tim Bird
2008-06-11  3:35                   ` Rob Landley
2008-06-11  5:47                     ` Greg Ungerer
2008-06-12  0:41                       ` Rob Landley
2008-06-12  7:55                         ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-12 15:23                         ` cross-compiling alternatives (was Re: [PATCH 0/1] Embedded Maintainer(s)...) Tim Bird
2008-06-12 15:50                           ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-12 16:05                             ` Mike Frysinger
2008-06-12 16:08                               ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-12 16:15                                 ` Mike Frysinger
2008-06-12 16:12                               ` Robert P. J. Day
2008-06-13  0:25                                 ` Rob Landley
2008-06-13  1:22                                   ` Bill Gatliff
2008-06-13  6:55                                   ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-13 15:06                                     ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-13  7:04                                   ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-13 15:02                                     ` linux-embedded-owner
2008-06-13 17:00                                       ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-13 17:12                                         ` Bill Traynor
2008-06-13 18:44                                           ` Tim Bird
2008-06-13 18:55                                             ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-06-13 19:00                                             ` Bill Traynor
2008-06-13 19:43                                             ` Johannes Stezenbach
2008-06-13 17:30                                       ` Makefile debugger linux-embedded-owner
2008-06-13  8:50                                   ` cross-compiling alternatives Bernd Petrovitsch
2008-06-13  9:11                                     ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-13 14:51                                   ` cross-compiling alternatives (was Re: [PATCH 0/1] Embedded Maintainer(s)...) Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-16  7:58                                     ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-16 16:00                                       ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-16 17:38                                         ` Adrian Bunk
2008-06-17 13:57                                           ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-13 11:14                                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2008-06-13 11:22                                 ` Bart Van Assche
2008-06-12 18:29                               ` Josh Boyer
2008-06-12 19:02                                 ` Mike Frysinger
2008-06-13 13:29                                   ` Josh Boyer
2008-06-13 13:59                                   ` Josh Boyer
2008-06-12 16:08                             ` Paul Mundt
2008-06-12 16:28                               ` Bill Gatliff
2008-06-12 16:31                                 ` Paul Mundt
2008-06-12 16:38                                   ` Mike Frysinger
2008-06-12 18:50                                     ` Bernhard Fischer
2008-06-12 17:14                                   ` Bill Gatliff
2008-06-12 17:22                                     ` Mike Frysinger
2008-06-12 17:23                                     ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-06-13 18:01                                     ` Rob Landley
2008-06-12 16:37                                 ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-12 17:01                                   ` Adrian Bunk
2008-06-12 17:19                                     ` Bill Gatliff
2008-06-12 17:17                                   ` Bill Gatliff
2008-06-13 11:15                                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2008-06-13 11:17                                     ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-12 18:34                                 ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-12 19:00                                   ` Bill Gatliff
2008-06-15 21:51                                   ` Rob Landley
2008-06-12 18:30                               ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-12 18:57                                 ` Wolfgang Denk
2008-06-12 16:23                             ` Tim Bird
2008-06-12 18:37                               ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-13 18:45                                 ` Robert Schwebel
2008-06-15 23:12                                   ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-16  8:02                                     ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-16  8:28                                       ` cross-compiling alternatives Bernd Petrovitsch
2008-06-16  9:25                                         ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-13  1:25                               ` cross-compiling alternatives (was Re: [PATCH 0/1] Embedded Maintainer(s)...) Rob Landley
2008-06-13  1:28                                 ` Robert P. J. Day
2008-06-13  1:29                                 ` Mike Frysinger
2008-06-13  6:30                                   ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-13 18:51                                     ` Robert Schwebel
2008-06-13 22:25                                       ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-13 23:19                                         ` Robert Schwebel
2008-06-14  0:07                                           ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-14 11:26                                             ` Robert Schwebel
2008-06-16 11:39                                               ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-16 12:06                                                 ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-16 13:32                                                   ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-16 16:28                                                     ` Bernhard Fischer
2008-06-16 22:28                                                       ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-16 22:44                                                         ` Adrian Bunk
2008-06-16  5:11                                             ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-16 11:33                                               ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-16  8:33                                             ` cross-compiling alternatives Bernd Petrovitsch
2008-06-16 11:17                                               ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-16 11:43                                                 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2008-06-16  7:55                                           ` cross-compiling alternatives (was Re: [PATCH 0/1] Embedded Maintainer(s)...) Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-16 15:15                                             ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-17  6:27                                               ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-17 13:46                                                 ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-17 14:22                                                   ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-16  4:57                                         ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-16 11:44                                           ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-16  4:31                                       ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-16  8:13                                       ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-16  8:21                                       ` cross-compiling alternatives Bernd Petrovitsch
2008-06-13  3:11                                 ` cross-compiling alternatives (was Re: [PATCH 0/1] Embedded Maintainer(s)...) Sam Ravnborg
2008-06-13 18:47                                   ` Robert Schwebel
2008-06-13  6:43                             ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-13  8:38                               ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2008-06-13  9:06                                 ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-13  9:12                                   ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-13  9:32                                     ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-13 15:28                                       ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-14  0:31                                         ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-16  4:23                                           ` Enrico Weigelt [this message]
2008-06-16 10:49                                             ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-16 11:09                                               ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-16 11:52                                                 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-16 11:59                                                   ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-16 16:43                                                   ` Bernhard Fischer
2008-06-13 10:03                                   ` cross-compiling alternatives Bernd Petrovitsch
2008-06-13 11:24                                     ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-13 13:17                                     ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-13 13:28                                       ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2008-06-13 13:40                                       ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-13 13:56                                         ` Matthieu CASTET
2008-06-13 14:41                                           ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-13 14:49                                             ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-13 14:51                                               ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-13 14:55                                       ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-13 15:16                                     ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-13 18:45                                       ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2008-06-13 19:10                                         ` Robert Schwebel
2008-06-16  4:08                                         ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-16  7:31                                           ` Peter Korsgaard
2008-06-16 14:33                                             ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-16 16:45                                               ` Bernhard Fischer
2008-06-13 19:14                                   ` cross-compiling alternatives (was Re: [PATCH 0/1] Embedded Maintainer(s)...) Rob Landley
2008-06-13 15:25                               ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-12 18:25                         ` [PATCH 0/1] Embedded Maintainer(s), linux-embedded@vger list Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-12 21:11                           ` David VomLehn
2008-06-12 21:42                             ` James Chapman
2008-06-12 21:46                               ` Mike Frysinger
2008-06-12 21:53                                 ` Tim Bird
2008-06-12 21:56                                   ` Mike Frysinger
2008-06-13  8:39                                     ` James Chapman
2008-06-13  9:02                                       ` Daniel THOMPSON
2008-06-13 11:28                                         ` James Chapman
2008-06-12 22:02                                 ` Jim Freeman
2008-06-13 13:14                                   ` Samuel Robb
2008-06-13 14:36                                     ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-13 14:26                                   ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-13 22:24                               ` David VomLehn
2008-06-15 15:39                         ` Leon Woestenberg
2008-06-15 21:43                           ` Rob Landley
2008-06-23 17:22     ` Denys Vlasenko
2008-06-23 18:57       ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-06-23 19:12         ` Denys Vlasenko
2008-06-23 19:33           ` Sam Ravnborg
     [not found] ` <1209636171.25560.508.camel@pmac.infradead.org>
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2008-06-23 17:28     ` Denys Vlasenko
2008-06-23 17:45       ` Adrian Bunk
2008-06-23 18:19         ` Denys Vlasenko
2008-06-23 19:05         ` Tim Bird
2008-06-25  9:50         ` James Chapman
2008-06-25 15:41           ` Adrian Bunk

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