From: Rob Landley <rob@landley.net>
To: Embedded Linux mailing list <linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>, Sam Ravnborg <sam@ravnborg.org>
Subject: PATCH [0/3]: Simplify the kernel build by removing perl.
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 02:07:28 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <200901020207.30359.rob@landley.net> (raw)
Before 2.6.25 (specifically git bdc807871d58285737d50dc6163d0feb72cb0dc2 )
building a Linux kernel never required perl to be installed on the build
system. (Various development and debugging scripts were written in perl and
python and such, but they weren't involved in actually building a kernel.)
Building a kernel before 2.6.25 could be done with a minimal system built from
gcc, binutils, bash, make, busybox, uClibc, and the Linux kernel, and nothing
else. (Embedded developers creating clean cross compile environments that
won't leak bits of the host system into the target, or bootstrapping native
development environments to run on target hardware or under emulators, tend to
care about this sort of thing.)
The perl checkin for 2.6.25 was the camel's nose under the tent flap, and
since then two more instances of perl have shown up in the core kernel build.
This patch series removes the three required to build a basic kernel for qemu
for the targets I've tested (arm, mips, powerpc, sparc, m68k, sh4, and of
course x86 and x86-64), replacing them with shell scripts.
Historically the kernel has gone out of its way to minimize environmental
dependencies for the build. For example, the plethora of *_shipped files mean
we don't need lex and yacc to build the kernel. The kconfig infrastructure
once required curses to run "make oldconfig", but that requirement was
restricted to just menuconfig so the kernel could build on systems without
ncurses.
That was a very nice policy. Kernel development already requires an in-depth
knowledge of C, make, and shell, plus things like the kconfig language. A
similarly in-depth knowledge of perl is bigger than all that combined (even
Larry Wall probably doesn't know all of Perl anymore), and then what's the
excuse _not_ to add Python to the core build? And after that why not java, or
lua? Where does it end? What's the criteria to say "no" here?
This patch series saves time and says no now.
next reply other threads:[~2009-01-02 8:07 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 129+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-01-02 8:07 Rob Landley [this message]
2009-01-02 8:13 ` [PATCH 1/3]: Replace kernel/timeconst.pl with kernel/timeconst.sh Rob Landley
2009-01-02 9:04 ` Sam Ravnborg
2009-01-02 12:00 ` Rob Landley
2009-01-02 19:33 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-01-04 1:32 ` Rob Landley
2009-01-04 1:35 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-01-04 12:07 ` Alan Cox
2009-01-04 18:36 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-01-04 19:03 ` Rob Landley
2009-01-04 20:39 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-01-05 0:59 ` Rob Landley
2009-01-03 6:28 ` Harvey Harrison
2009-01-03 12:28 ` Ingo Oeser
2009-01-04 1:36 ` Rob Landley
2009-01-04 5:07 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-01-04 6:43 ` Rob Landley
2009-01-04 22:13 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-01-05 0:15 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2009-01-05 2:23 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-01-05 10:46 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2009-01-05 15:01 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-01-05 16:18 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2009-01-06 0:06 ` Rob Landley
2009-01-05 21:07 ` Rob Landley
2009-01-05 4:50 ` Rob Landley
2009-01-05 12:29 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2009-01-04 21:51 ` Alejandro Mery
2009-01-04 7:15 ` Michal Jaegermann
2009-01-05 0:41 ` Ray Lee
2009-01-05 5:08 ` Rob Landley
2009-01-02 8:14 ` [PATCH 2/3]: Remove perl from make headers_install Rob Landley
2009-01-02 9:09 ` Sam Ravnborg
2009-01-02 8:15 ` [PATCH 3/3]: Convert mkcapflags.pl to mkcapflags.sh Rob Landley
2009-01-02 9:12 ` Sam Ravnborg
2009-01-02 9:26 ` PATCH [0/3]: Simplify the kernel build by removing perl Arkadiusz Miskiewicz
2009-01-02 9:49 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-01-02 10:16 ` Alejandro Mery
2009-01-02 10:30 ` Mark Miller
2009-01-02 11:18 ` Matt Keenan
2009-01-02 10:41 ` Måns Rullgård
2009-01-15 12:59 ` Pádraig Brady
2009-01-15 18:52 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-01-15 19:45 ` Måns Rullgård
2009-01-02 11:15 ` Rob Landley
2009-01-02 11:44 ` Sam Ravnborg
2009-01-02 12:56 ` Rob Landley
2009-01-02 14:04 ` Theodore Tso
2009-01-03 3:22 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-01-04 2:23 ` Rob Landley
2009-01-02 10:02 ` Mark Miller
2009-01-02 10:03 ` Mark Miller
2009-01-02 11:13 ` Rob Landley
2009-01-02 16:04 ` Matthieu CASTET
2009-01-03 19:46 ` Rob Landley
2009-01-03 20:10 ` Sam Ravnborg
2009-01-03 20:50 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-01-04 1:47 ` Rob Landley
2009-01-04 1:45 ` Rob Landley
2009-01-04 8:09 ` Sam Ravnborg
2009-01-04 20:19 ` Rob Landley
2009-01-04 0:44 ` Robert Hancock
2009-01-04 1:39 ` David Brownell
2009-01-04 3:05 ` Rob Landley
2009-01-04 1:32 ` Rob Landley
2009-01-02 9:50 ` Paul Mundt
2009-01-02 10:32 ` Mark Miller
2009-01-02 10:57 ` Paul Mundt
2009-01-02 12:11 ` Mark Miller
2009-01-02 12:44 ` Rob Landley
2009-01-02 17:25 ` Wookey
2009-01-02 18:01 ` Sam Ravnborg
2009-01-02 19:27 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-01-04 1:35 ` Rob Landley
2009-01-03 19:48 ` Rob Landley
2009-01-08 13:13 ` klaasjan gm
2009-01-08 15:04 ` Christian Gagneraud
2009-01-03 14:59 ` Wolfgang Denk
2009-01-03 22:54 ` Leon Woestenberg
2009-01-03 23:03 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-01-04 0:37 ` Leon Woestenberg
2009-01-04 2:53 ` Rob Landley
2009-01-04 3:38 ` Markus Heidelberg
2009-01-04 4:57 ` Rob Landley
2009-01-04 2:06 ` Rob Landley
2009-01-04 2:14 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-01-04 6:29 ` Rob Landley
2009-01-15 14:32 ` Pádraig Brady
2009-01-04 2:36 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-01-04 2:39 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-01-04 2:43 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-01-04 3:06 ` Paul Mundt
2009-01-04 10:23 ` Leon Woestenberg
2009-01-08 13:29 ` Mike Frysinger
2009-01-11 12:45 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2009-01-12 3:36 ` Mark A. Miller
2009-01-12 5:11 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-01-12 5:23 ` Mark A. Miller
2009-01-12 8:20 ` Paul Mundt
2009-01-12 9:18 ` Mark A. Miller
2009-01-12 9:41 ` Paul Mundt
2009-01-12 10:03 ` Mark A. Miller
2009-01-12 10:34 ` Paul Mundt
2009-01-12 17:56 ` Rob Landley
2009-01-12 18:04 ` Alan Cox
2009-01-12 8:27 ` Peter Korsgaard
2009-01-12 17:45 ` Rob Landley
[not found] ` <31014a580901111928u586e2246uccf370ff941c8a01@mail.gmail.com>
2009-01-12 5:35 ` Sam Ravnborg
2009-01-12 5:50 ` Mark A. Miller
2009-01-12 10:18 ` Sam Ravnborg
2009-01-12 10:22 ` Mark A. Miller
2009-01-12 10:44 ` Alexander Neundorf
2009-01-12 10:55 ` Mark A. Miller
2009-01-12 11:04 ` Alexander Neundorf
2009-01-12 10:38 ` Paul Mundt
2009-01-14 2:51 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-01-16 6:11 ` Rob Landley
2009-01-16 7:28 ` Alexander Neundorf
2009-01-16 14:54 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-01-16 21:54 ` Rob Landley
2009-01-17 9:51 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-01-18 1:44 ` Rob Landley
2009-01-04 16:22 ` Vladimir Dronnikov
2009-01-04 1:24 ` PATCH [0/3]: Simplify the kernel build by removing perl v2 Rob Landley
2009-01-04 1:27 ` PATCH [1/3]: Replace kernel/timeconst.pl with kernel/timeconst.sh (v2) Rob Landley
2009-01-04 2:48 ` David Vrabel
2009-01-04 20:21 ` Rob Landley
2009-01-04 1:28 ` PATCH [2/3]: Remove perl from make headers_install Rob Landley
2009-01-04 1:29 ` PATCH [3/3]: Convert kernel/cpu/mkcapflags.pl to kernel/cpu/mkcapflags.sh Rob Landley
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