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From: David Brownell <david-b@pacbell.net>
To: Grant Likely <grant.likely@secretlab.ca>
Cc: Bill Gatliff <bgat@billgatliff.com>,
	linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org,
	Mike Frysinger <vapier.adi@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/6] Generic PWM API implementation
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 01:27:38 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200911170027.38664.david-b@pacbell.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <fa686aa40911131108o301efa1ew5c0ab31184aa7f75@mail.gmail.com>

On Friday 13 November 2009, Grant Likely wrote:
> I'm concerned about the approach taken here.  As I understand it, the
> PWM signals are very similar to GPIOs in that each PWM device controls
> an external signal line, just like GPIO lines.

PWM is not GPIO, and doesn't fit into a GPIO framework.

Since *everything* boils down to one or more signal lines,
your argument leads directly to Linux having no native
hardware interface except GPIOs.  Not ... practical. ;)



> The difference being 
> that PWMs cannot do input, and has additional capabilities (can be
> programmed with a signal; not just on/off/tristate)

If you want to combine PWM with something else ... timers would
be a better target.  They're both fundamentally about periodic
phenomena.  And quite a lot of timers support PWM output modes...

(A generic interface to hardware timers is lacking, too.)


> What is the reason for bringing in an entirely new framework instead
> of extending the GPIO API or gpiolib?  I'm not too excited about
> having two entirely different frameworks for what basically boils down
> to "numbered signal pins".

You seem to mis-understand what PWM is all about, then.
The whole point of a PWM is to set up a periodic activity
that will run without CPU intervention.

GPIOs, on the other hand, are packaged for manual bit
twiddling.  While it's possible to create low-speed
implementations of serial protocols using GPIOs (like
2-wire/I2C, one-wire, and various SPI variants), those
are explicitly the high-overhead (and low performance)
substitutes, to be used only when native hardware isn't
available (or is broken etc).

For example you won't often get 40 Mbit/sec SPI if you
are bitbanging over GPIOs ... and if you do, it won't
leave much CPU horsepower for much of anything else.

- Dave

  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-11-17  8:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-10-15 18:14 [PATCH 0/6] Generic PWM API implementation Bill Gatliff
2008-10-15 18:14 ` [PATCH 1/6] [PWM] " Bill Gatliff
2008-10-17 15:59   ` Mike Frysinger
2008-11-04 20:16     ` Bill Gatliff
2008-11-04 20:51       ` Mike Frysinger
2008-11-04 23:55       ` David Brownell
2008-11-05  0:17         ` Mike Frysinger
2008-11-05  2:59           ` Bill Gatliff
2008-11-05  5:08           ` David Brownell
2008-11-05  2:56         ` Bill Gatliff
2008-10-15 18:14 ` [PATCH 2/6] [PWM] Changes to existing include/linux/pwm.h to adapt to generic PWM API Bill Gatliff
2008-10-15 18:14 ` [PATCH 3/6] [PWM] Documentation Bill Gatliff
2008-10-15 18:14 ` [PATCH 4/6] [PWM] Driver for Atmel PWMC peripheral Bill Gatliff
2008-10-15 18:14 ` [PATCH 5/6] [PWM] Install new Atmel PWMC driver in Kconfig, expunge old one Bill Gatliff
2008-10-15 18:14 ` [PATCH 6/6] [PWM] New LED driver and trigger that use PWM API Bill Gatliff
2009-11-13 19:08 ` [PATCH 0/6] Generic PWM API implementation Grant Likely
2009-11-14  4:22   ` Mike Frysinger
2009-11-14  7:55     ` Grant Likely
2009-11-17  7:47       ` David Brownell
2009-11-17 15:48         ` Bill Gatliff
2009-11-17 16:53           ` David Brownell
2009-11-20 22:51             ` Grant Likely
2009-11-20 22:14         ` Grant Likely
2009-11-23 14:12           ` Bill Gatliff
2009-11-23 17:39             ` Grant Likely
2009-11-23 20:51               ` Albrecht Dreß
2009-11-28 21:38               ` David Brownell
2009-11-28 21:59               ` David Brownell
2009-11-17 15:45       ` Bill Gatliff
2009-11-17  8:27   ` David Brownell [this message]
2009-11-17 15:54     ` Bill Gatliff
2009-11-20 22:21     ` Grant Likely
2009-11-23 14:13       ` Bill Gatliff
2009-11-23 17:40         ` Grant Likely
2009-11-23 15:29       ` Mark Brown
2009-11-23 17:44         ` Grant Likely
2009-11-23 18:09           ` Mark Brown
2009-11-28 21:54             ` David Brownell
2009-11-17 15:39   ` Bill Gatliff
2009-11-20 22:49     ` Grant Likely
2009-11-28 21:28       ` David Brownell

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