From: David Brownell <david-b@pacbell.net>
To: Grant Likely <grant.likely@secretlab.ca>
Cc: Bill Gatliff <bgat@billgatliff.com>,
linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org,
Mike Frysinger <vapier.adi@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/6] Generic PWM API implementation
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 01:27:38 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <200911170027.38664.david-b@pacbell.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <fa686aa40911131108o301efa1ew5c0ab31184aa7f75@mail.gmail.com>
On Friday 13 November 2009, Grant Likely wrote:
> I'm concerned about the approach taken here. As I understand it, the
> PWM signals are very similar to GPIOs in that each PWM device controls
> an external signal line, just like GPIO lines.
PWM is not GPIO, and doesn't fit into a GPIO framework.
Since *everything* boils down to one or more signal lines,
your argument leads directly to Linux having no native
hardware interface except GPIOs. Not ... practical. ;)
> The difference being
> that PWMs cannot do input, and has additional capabilities (can be
> programmed with a signal; not just on/off/tristate)
If you want to combine PWM with something else ... timers would
be a better target. They're both fundamentally about periodic
phenomena. And quite a lot of timers support PWM output modes...
(A generic interface to hardware timers is lacking, too.)
> What is the reason for bringing in an entirely new framework instead
> of extending the GPIO API or gpiolib? I'm not too excited about
> having two entirely different frameworks for what basically boils down
> to "numbered signal pins".
You seem to mis-understand what PWM is all about, then.
The whole point of a PWM is to set up a periodic activity
that will run without CPU intervention.
GPIOs, on the other hand, are packaged for manual bit
twiddling. While it's possible to create low-speed
implementations of serial protocols using GPIOs (like
2-wire/I2C, one-wire, and various SPI variants), those
are explicitly the high-overhead (and low performance)
substitutes, to be used only when native hardware isn't
available (or is broken etc).
For example you won't often get 40 Mbit/sec SPI if you
are bitbanging over GPIOs ... and if you do, it won't
leave much CPU horsepower for much of anything else.
- Dave
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-11-17 8:27 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-10-15 18:14 [PATCH 0/6] Generic PWM API implementation Bill Gatliff
2008-10-15 18:14 ` [PATCH 1/6] [PWM] " Bill Gatliff
2008-10-17 15:59 ` Mike Frysinger
2008-11-04 20:16 ` Bill Gatliff
2008-11-04 20:51 ` Mike Frysinger
2008-11-04 23:55 ` David Brownell
2008-11-05 0:17 ` Mike Frysinger
2008-11-05 2:59 ` Bill Gatliff
2008-11-05 5:08 ` David Brownell
2008-11-05 2:56 ` Bill Gatliff
2008-10-15 18:14 ` [PATCH 2/6] [PWM] Changes to existing include/linux/pwm.h to adapt to generic PWM API Bill Gatliff
2008-10-15 18:14 ` [PATCH 3/6] [PWM] Documentation Bill Gatliff
2008-10-15 18:14 ` [PATCH 4/6] [PWM] Driver for Atmel PWMC peripheral Bill Gatliff
2008-10-15 18:14 ` [PATCH 5/6] [PWM] Install new Atmel PWMC driver in Kconfig, expunge old one Bill Gatliff
2008-10-15 18:14 ` [PATCH 6/6] [PWM] New LED driver and trigger that use PWM API Bill Gatliff
2009-11-13 19:08 ` [PATCH 0/6] Generic PWM API implementation Grant Likely
2009-11-14 4:22 ` Mike Frysinger
2009-11-14 7:55 ` Grant Likely
2009-11-17 7:47 ` David Brownell
2009-11-17 15:48 ` Bill Gatliff
2009-11-17 16:53 ` David Brownell
2009-11-20 22:51 ` Grant Likely
2009-11-20 22:14 ` Grant Likely
2009-11-23 14:12 ` Bill Gatliff
2009-11-23 17:39 ` Grant Likely
2009-11-23 20:51 ` Albrecht Dreß
2009-11-28 21:38 ` David Brownell
2009-11-28 21:59 ` David Brownell
2009-11-17 15:45 ` Bill Gatliff
2009-11-17 8:27 ` David Brownell [this message]
2009-11-17 15:54 ` Bill Gatliff
2009-11-20 22:21 ` Grant Likely
2009-11-23 14:13 ` Bill Gatliff
2009-11-23 17:40 ` Grant Likely
2009-11-23 15:29 ` Mark Brown
2009-11-23 17:44 ` Grant Likely
2009-11-23 18:09 ` Mark Brown
2009-11-28 21:54 ` David Brownell
2009-11-17 15:39 ` Bill Gatliff
2009-11-20 22:49 ` Grant Likely
2009-11-28 21:28 ` David Brownell
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