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From: Wolfgang Denk <wd@denx.de>
To: Andy Green <andy@warmcat.com>
Cc: Matt Hsu <matt@0xlab.org>,
	linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org,
	celinux-dev@tree.celinuxforum.org
Subject: Re: [Celinux-dev] CELF Project Proposal- Refactoring Qi, lightweight bootloader
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 22:38:29 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091221213829.1A8B93F6EF@gemini.denx.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4B2FD7DB.10008@warmcat.com>

Dear Andy Green,

In message <4B2FD7DB.10008@warmcat.com> you wrote:
> 
> >> Another big problem with U-Boot was the inability to update the
> >> bootloader from the Linux world.  Instead the bootloader was treated
...
> I was talking about GTA02 specifically here, it was (and still is AFAIK) 
> only updateable by DFU for the bootloader.  We had kernels with soft ECC 
> that differed from the ECC / bad block marking generated and used by the 
> s3c2442 NAND hardware unit.  If U-Boot wrote it, it could at least read 
> it again.  So DFU was / is the only official way to update GTA02 bootloader.

This only means that the ports of U-Boot and Linux to that hardware
were inconsistent, which means that at least one of them can be
considered broken. [And I'm tempted to add that this might eventually
be a consequence of the fact that all this work was done without ever
getting in touch with the U-Boot community. Likewise, no code or
fixes have been contributed back into mainline.]


I think it's unfair to blame U-Boot for a poor on incorrect
implementation of the NAND driver on this specific hardware.


Best regards,

Wolfgang Denk

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  reply	other threads:[~2009-12-21 21:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-12-17  8:31 CELF Project Proposal- Refactoring Qi, lightweight bootloader Matt Hsu
2009-12-17  9:21 ` Andy Green
2009-12-21 19:30   ` [Celinux-dev] " Wolfgang Denk
2009-12-21 19:32     ` Mike Frysinger
2009-12-21 20:17     ` Andy Green
2009-12-21 21:38       ` Wolfgang Denk [this message]
2009-12-21 22:38         ` Andy Green
2009-12-21 23:17           ` Wookey
2009-12-21 23:19           ` Robert Schwebel
2009-12-22  8:22             ` Andy Green
2009-12-22 11:12               ` Robert Schwebel
2009-12-22 22:23                 ` Andy Green
2009-12-22 23:28                   ` Robert Schwebel
2009-12-23  8:38                     ` Andy Green
2009-12-23  8:56                       ` Robert Schwebel
2009-12-23  9:29                         ` Andy Green
2009-12-23  9:43                           ` Robert Schwebel
2009-12-27  7:27                           ` Rob Landley
2009-12-27 10:09                             ` Andy Green
2009-12-28  0:21                               ` Rob Landley
2009-12-28 11:33                                 ` Andy Green
2009-12-27  7:17                   ` Rob Landley
2009-12-27  9:54                     ` Andy Green
2009-12-27 23:15                       ` Rob Landley
2009-12-28 10:27                         ` Andy Green
2009-12-28 19:57                           ` Peter Korsgaard
2009-12-28 20:20                             ` Andy Green
2009-12-29  4:25                           ` Rob Landley
2009-12-29 11:11                             ` Andy Green
2009-12-17 23:13 ` Tim Bird
2009-12-21  2:45 ` [Celinux-dev] " Rob Landley
2009-12-21  5:51   ` Matt Hsu
2009-12-21  8:00     ` Rob Landley
2009-12-21  9:54       ` Andy Green
2009-12-21 20:49   ` Wookey
2009-12-23  2:28   ` Jamie Lokier
2009-12-23  8:48     ` Andy Green
2009-12-29 13:13       ` Jamie Lokier
2009-12-29 13:36         ` Andy Green

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