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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@kernel.org>
Cc: "Bird, Tim" <Tim.Bird@sony.com>,
	"pmladek@suse.com" <pmladek@suse.com>,
	"rostedt@goodmis.org" <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	"senozhatsky@chromium.org" <senozhatsky@chromium.org>,
	Shashank Balaji <shashankbalaji02@gmail.com>,
	"john.ogness@linutronix.de" <john.ogness@linutronix.de>,
	"francesco@valla.it" <francesco@valla.it>,
	"geert@linux-m68k.org" <geert@linux-m68k.org>,
	"linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org" <linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	x86@kernel.org, Paolo Bonzini <bonzini@gnu.org>,
	Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>,
	KVM <kvm@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3] printk: fix zero-valued printk timestamps in early boot
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2026 14:05:38 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260330120538.GM3738010@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87fr5ib6ks.ffs@tglx>

On Mon, Mar 30, 2026 at 12:42:59AM +0200, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> Quite the contrary, I'm going to get rid of technical debt:
> 
>   The get_cycles() related changes in tsc.h are going to end up in a
>   obviously revised formal patch tomorrow as there is exactly _zero_
>   requirement to provide this as a functional interface.
> 
>   1) The default implementation in asm-generic returns 0
> 
>      Ergo any code depending on a functional implementation is broken
>      by definition.
> 
>   2) The ops/cycles metrics are as bogus as the infamous BogoMIPS metrics
>   
>      The "cycle" counter runs on almost all contemporary CPUs at a fixed
>      frequency, which is completely unrelated to the actual CPU
>      frequency and therefore to the actual CPU cycles.
> 
>      The only realistic metric is ops/sec and nothing else and that can
>      be trivially achieved by using the generic time getter interfaces.
> 
>      Those might end up resulting in bogus benchmark results too if the
>      underlying clocksource is jiffies, but that's again a matter of
>      accepting reality.
> 
>      If people really mandate that ops/bogo_cycles is required for the
>      very wrong reasons, then I'm happy to bring it back with a global
>      name change from get_cycles() to get_bogo_cycles() which excludes
>      it from any serious usage including printk.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
>         tglx
> ---
>  arch/x86/include/asm/tsc.h        |   11 ++--
>  arch/x86/kernel/platform-quirks.c |    2 
>  arch/x86/kernel/tsc.c             |   96 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++--------
>  3 files changed, 85 insertions(+), 24 deletions(-)
> 
> --- a/arch/x86/include/asm/tsc.h
> +++ b/arch/x86/include/asm/tsc.h
> @@ -76,10 +76,7 @@ extern void disable_TSC(void);
>  
>  static inline cycles_t get_cycles(void)
>  {
> -	if (!IS_ENABLED(CONFIG_X86_TSC) &&
> -	    !cpu_feature_enabled(X86_FEATURE_TSC))
> -		return 0;
> -	return rdtsc();
> +	return 0;
>  }
>  #define get_cycles get_cycles
>  

So this is probably going to break a bunch of generic stuff. There is a
fair amount of 'get_cycles' usage out in the tree.

Mostly it appears to be various test code.

But I do agree that get_cycles() is terrible and should go away.

  reply	other threads:[~2026-03-30 12:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-11-25  5:30 [PATCH] printk: add early_counter_ns routine for printk blind spot Tim Bird
2025-11-25  7:52 ` kernel test robot
2025-11-25 13:08 ` Francesco Valla
2025-11-26  7:38   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-11-27  0:16     ` Bird, Tim
2025-11-27 16:16       ` Petr Mladek
2025-11-26 12:55   ` Petr Mladek
2025-11-27  0:03     ` Bird, Tim
2025-11-26 11:13 ` Petr Mladek
2025-11-27  9:13 ` kernel test robot
2026-01-24 19:40 ` [PATCH v2] printk: fix zero-valued printk timestamps in early boot Tim Bird
2026-01-25 14:41   ` Francesco Valla
2026-01-26 16:52     ` Bird, Tim
2026-02-02 16:23       ` Petr Mladek
2026-01-26 10:12   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2026-01-26 17:11     ` Bird, Tim
2026-01-27  8:10       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2026-02-10 23:47 ` [PATCH v3] " Tim Bird
2026-03-04 11:23   ` Petr Mladek
2026-03-09 17:27   ` Shashank Balaji
2026-03-10 10:43     ` Petr Mladek
2026-03-10 19:17     ` Bird, Tim
2026-03-09 19:25   ` Shashank Balaji
2026-03-10 11:39     ` Petr Mladek
2026-03-10 18:54       ` Bird, Tim
2026-03-11 15:45         ` Petr Mladek
2026-03-11 15:47   ` Michael Kelley
2026-03-13  4:52     ` Bird, Tim
2026-03-13 10:45       ` Petr Mladek
2026-03-14 14:16         ` Shashank Balaji
2026-03-24 20:07           ` Bird, Tim
2026-03-14 16:15         ` Michael Kelley
2026-03-24 19:47           ` Bird, Tim
2026-03-26  9:24             ` John Ogness
2026-03-27 18:04               ` Bird, Tim
2026-03-20 18:15         ` Bird, Tim
2026-03-28 15:56         ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-26 13:17   ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-27 18:48     ` Bird, Tim
2026-03-28 21:59       ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-29 22:42         ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-30 12:05           ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2026-03-30 13:38           ` David Laight
2026-04-07 20:34           ` Earlier tsc init patch (was RE: [PATCH v3] printk: fix zero-valued printk timestamps in early boot) Bird, Tim
2026-03-30 20:42         ` [PATCH v3] printk: fix zero-valued printk timestamps in early boot Bird, Tim
2026-03-31  8:17           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2026-03-31  9:10           ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-31 23:36             ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-04-01  0:05               ` Steven Rostedt
2026-04-01  7:36                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2026-04-01  8:33                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-04-01 15:12                   ` Steven Rostedt
2026-04-01 19:37                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-04-01  1:16               ` Brian Masney
2026-04-01  9:19                 ` Thomas Gleixner

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