From: Daniel THOMPSON <daniel.thompson@st.com>
To: James Chapman <jchapman@katalix.com>
Cc: Mike Frysinger <vapier.adi@gmail.com>,
Tim Bird <tim.bird@am.sony.com>,
David VomLehn <dvomlehn@cisco.com>,
weigelt@metux.de,
Linux Embedded Maillist <linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/1] Embedded Maintainer(s), linux-embedded@vger list
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 10:02:55 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <485237BF.3030204@st.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <48523254.2070507@katalix.com>
James Chapman wrote:
> Mike Frysinger wrote:
>> On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 5:53 PM, Tim Bird wrote:
>>> Mike Frysinger wrote:
>>>>> Er, is that GPL or LGPL code that you're modifying? If so, you
>>>>> *have* to
>>>>> push those code changes out (make them available to others),
>>>>> whether you
>>>>> think people will be interested or not!
>>>> umm, not really. only if (1) he gives a binary to someone and (2)
>>>> they ask him for the source. if he doesnt distribute or no one asks,
>>>> he doesnt have to do squat.
>>> This is closer to correct, but missing some important details.
>>>
>>> Start the GPL compliance tutorial/flameware in 3, 2, 1...
>>
>> yeah, i really dont think licensing things belong here. sorry for
>> following up.
>>
>> how about this policy: if you want to make a statement, go pay a
>> lawyer. but that statement still shouldnt be made here ;).
>> -mike
>
> Sorry, I didn't mean to provoke a GPL flame war. The point I was trying
> to make (badly as it turns out) is that if a company really wants to see
> its changes taken upstream, it could simply publish the work on its
> website and let each relevant community know that it's there.
Isn't this a lot of the problem with the way embedded companies and
developers interact with upstream.
In some cases it is in the embedded developers interests to see their
code adopted upstream (i.e. so they don't have to maintain it).
Just tossing some code over the wall will, in almost all circumstances,
result in the code being ignored.
> A diff of
> the changes would be ideal. This is above and beyond what they have to
> do under GPL terms of course. There's no need for a company to filter
> out changes that it thinks others won't be interested in.
This is a legal concern, not a practical one. All companies *should*
comply with the law. Really it is more useful to convince people that it
is in their own self-interest to do more than this.
--
Daniel Thompson (STMicroelectronics) <daniel.thompson@st.com>
1000 Aztec West, Almondsbury, Bristol, BS32 4SQ. 01454 462659
If a car is a horseless carriage then is a motorcycle a horseless horse?
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2008-05-28 21:52 ` [PATCH 0/1] Embedded Maintainer(s), linux-embedded@vger list Rob Landley
2008-06-09 21:27 ` Leon Woestenberg
2008-06-10 3:53 ` Rob Landley
2008-06-10 4:30 ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-06-10 6:55 ` Rob Landley
2008-06-10 7:54 ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-06-10 9:09 ` Wolfgang Denk
2008-06-10 13:12 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-10 13:25 ` Will Newton
2008-06-10 13:33 ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-10 13:47 ` Will Newton
2008-06-10 13:53 ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-10 14:00 ` Grant Likely
2008-06-10 14:01 ` Wolfgang Denk
2008-06-10 14:29 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-11 5:34 ` Rob Landley
2008-06-10 13:49 ` Wolfgang Denk
2008-06-11 5:25 ` Rob Landley
2008-06-12 18:18 ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-12 18:55 ` Wolfgang Denk
2008-06-12 20:55 ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-15 21:48 ` Rob Landley
2008-06-17 14:11 ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-10 13:47 ` Wolfgang Denk
2008-06-10 10:20 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-10 10:36 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-06-10 10:50 ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-06-11 5:28 ` Paul Mundt
2008-06-10 17:36 ` Tim Bird
2008-06-11 3:35 ` Rob Landley
2008-06-11 5:47 ` Greg Ungerer
2008-06-12 0:41 ` Rob Landley
2008-06-12 7:55 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-12 15:23 ` cross-compiling alternatives (was Re: [PATCH 0/1] Embedded Maintainer(s)...) Tim Bird
2008-06-12 15:50 ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-12 16:05 ` Mike Frysinger
2008-06-12 16:08 ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-12 16:15 ` Mike Frysinger
2008-06-12 16:12 ` Robert P. J. Day
2008-06-13 0:25 ` Rob Landley
2008-06-13 1:22 ` Bill Gatliff
2008-06-13 6:55 ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-13 15:06 ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-13 7:04 ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-13 15:02 ` linux-embedded-owner
2008-06-13 17:00 ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-13 17:12 ` Bill Traynor
2008-06-13 18:44 ` Tim Bird
2008-06-13 18:55 ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-06-13 19:00 ` Bill Traynor
2008-06-13 19:43 ` Johannes Stezenbach
2008-06-13 17:30 ` Makefile debugger linux-embedded-owner
2008-06-13 8:50 ` cross-compiling alternatives Bernd Petrovitsch
2008-06-13 9:11 ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-13 14:51 ` cross-compiling alternatives (was Re: [PATCH 0/1] Embedded Maintainer(s)...) Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-16 7:58 ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-16 16:00 ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-16 17:38 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-06-17 13:57 ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-13 11:14 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2008-06-13 11:22 ` Bart Van Assche
2008-06-12 18:29 ` Josh Boyer
2008-06-12 19:02 ` Mike Frysinger
2008-06-13 13:29 ` Josh Boyer
2008-06-13 13:59 ` Josh Boyer
2008-06-12 16:08 ` Paul Mundt
2008-06-12 16:28 ` Bill Gatliff
2008-06-12 16:31 ` Paul Mundt
2008-06-12 16:38 ` Mike Frysinger
2008-06-12 18:50 ` Bernhard Fischer
2008-06-12 17:14 ` Bill Gatliff
2008-06-12 17:22 ` Mike Frysinger
2008-06-12 17:23 ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-06-13 18:01 ` Rob Landley
2008-06-12 16:37 ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-12 17:01 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-06-12 17:19 ` Bill Gatliff
2008-06-12 17:17 ` Bill Gatliff
2008-06-13 11:15 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2008-06-13 11:17 ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-12 18:34 ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-12 19:00 ` Bill Gatliff
2008-06-15 21:51 ` Rob Landley
2008-06-12 18:30 ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-12 18:57 ` Wolfgang Denk
2008-06-12 16:23 ` Tim Bird
2008-06-12 18:37 ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-13 18:45 ` Robert Schwebel
2008-06-15 23:12 ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-16 8:02 ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-16 8:28 ` cross-compiling alternatives Bernd Petrovitsch
2008-06-16 9:25 ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-13 1:25 ` cross-compiling alternatives (was Re: [PATCH 0/1] Embedded Maintainer(s)...) Rob Landley
2008-06-13 1:28 ` Robert P. J. Day
2008-06-13 1:29 ` Mike Frysinger
2008-06-13 6:30 ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-13 18:51 ` Robert Schwebel
2008-06-13 22:25 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-13 23:19 ` Robert Schwebel
2008-06-14 0:07 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-14 11:26 ` Robert Schwebel
2008-06-16 11:39 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-16 12:06 ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-16 13:32 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-16 16:28 ` Bernhard Fischer
2008-06-16 22:28 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-16 22:44 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-06-16 5:11 ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-16 11:33 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-16 8:33 ` cross-compiling alternatives Bernd Petrovitsch
2008-06-16 11:17 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-16 11:43 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2008-06-16 7:55 ` cross-compiling alternatives (was Re: [PATCH 0/1] Embedded Maintainer(s)...) Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-16 15:15 ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-17 6:27 ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-17 13:46 ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-17 14:22 ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-16 4:57 ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-16 11:44 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-16 4:31 ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-16 8:13 ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-16 8:21 ` cross-compiling alternatives Bernd Petrovitsch
2008-06-13 3:11 ` cross-compiling alternatives (was Re: [PATCH 0/1] Embedded Maintainer(s)...) Sam Ravnborg
2008-06-13 18:47 ` Robert Schwebel
2008-06-13 6:43 ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-13 8:38 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2008-06-13 9:06 ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-13 9:12 ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-13 9:32 ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-13 15:28 ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-14 0:31 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-16 4:23 ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-16 10:49 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-16 11:09 ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-16 11:52 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-16 11:59 ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-16 16:43 ` Bernhard Fischer
2008-06-13 10:03 ` cross-compiling alternatives Bernd Petrovitsch
2008-06-13 11:24 ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-13 13:17 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-13 13:28 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2008-06-13 13:40 ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-13 13:56 ` Matthieu CASTET
2008-06-13 14:41 ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-13 14:49 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-13 14:51 ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-13 14:55 ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-13 15:16 ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-13 18:45 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2008-06-13 19:10 ` Robert Schwebel
2008-06-16 4:08 ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-16 7:31 ` Peter Korsgaard
2008-06-16 14:33 ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-16 16:45 ` Bernhard Fischer
2008-06-13 19:14 ` cross-compiling alternatives (was Re: [PATCH 0/1] Embedded Maintainer(s)...) Rob Landley
2008-06-13 15:25 ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-12 18:25 ` [PATCH 0/1] Embedded Maintainer(s), linux-embedded@vger list Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-12 21:11 ` David VomLehn
2008-06-12 21:42 ` James Chapman
2008-06-12 21:46 ` Mike Frysinger
2008-06-12 21:53 ` Tim Bird
2008-06-12 21:56 ` Mike Frysinger
2008-06-13 8:39 ` James Chapman
2008-06-13 9:02 ` Daniel THOMPSON [this message]
2008-06-13 11:28 ` James Chapman
2008-06-12 22:02 ` Jim Freeman
2008-06-13 13:14 ` Samuel Robb
2008-06-13 14:36 ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-13 14:26 ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-13 22:24 ` David VomLehn
2008-06-15 15:39 ` Leon Woestenberg
2008-06-15 21:43 ` Rob Landley
2008-06-23 17:22 ` Denys Vlasenko
2008-06-23 18:57 ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-06-23 19:12 ` Denys Vlasenko
2008-06-23 19:33 ` Sam Ravnborg
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2008-06-23 17:28 ` Denys Vlasenko
2008-06-23 17:45 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-06-23 18:19 ` Denys Vlasenko
2008-06-23 19:05 ` Tim Bird
2008-06-25 9:50 ` James Chapman
2008-06-25 15:41 ` Adrian Bunk
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