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From: Greg Ungerer <gerg-XXXsiaCtIV5Wk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
To: Jamie Lokier <jamie-yetKDKU6eevNLxjTenLetw@public.gmane.org>
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Subject: Re: [Bug #11342] Linux 2.6.27-rc3: kernel BUG at mm/vmalloc.c - bisected
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 10:11:24 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <48B5ED2C.60602@snapgear.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080827154805.GA25387-yetKDKU6eevNLxjTenLetw@public.gmane.org>


Jamie Lokier wrote:
> Bernd Petrovitsch wrote:
>> If you "develop" an embedded system (which is partly system integration
>> of existing apps) to be installed in the field, you don't have that many
>> conceivable work loads compared to a desktop/server system. And you have
>> a fixed list of drivers and applications.
> 
> Hah!  Not in my line of embedded device.
> 
> 32MB no-MMU ARM boards which people run new things and attach new
> devices to rather often - without making new hardware.  Volume's too
> low per individual application to get new hardware designed and made.
> 
> I'm seriously thinking of forwarding porting the 4 year old firmware
> from 2.4.26 to 2.6.current, just to get new drivers and capabilities.
> Backporting is tedious, so's feeling wretchedly far from the mainline
> world.
> 
>> A usual approach is to run stress tests on several (or all)
>> subsystems/services/... in parallel and if the device survives it
>> functioning correctly, it is at least good enough.
> 
> Per application.
> 
> Some little devices run hundreds of different applications and
> customers expect to customise, script themselves, and attach different
> devices (over USB).  The next customer in the chain expects the bits
> you supplied to work in a variety of unexpected situations, even when
> you advise that it probably won't do that.
> 
> Much like desktop/server Linux, but on a small device where silly
> little things like 'create a process' are a stress for the dear little
> thing.
> 
> (My biggest lesson: insist on an MMU next time!)

But given you have hardware you can't change would you choose
to not run Linux, even with the limitations of non-MMU?

Hell no :-)

Regards
Greg


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  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-08-28  0:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <mzBsPw3QUOF.A.87F.wZGsIB@albercik>
     [not found] ` <48B313E0.1000501@hp.com>
     [not found]   ` <alpine.LFD.1.10.0808251326500.3363@nehalem.linux-foundation.org>
     [not found]     ` <200808261111.19205.rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
     [not found]       ` <alpine.LFD.1.10.0808261019450.3363@nehalem.linux-foundation.org>
2008-08-26 18:30         ` [Bug #11342] Linux 2.6.27-rc3: kernel BUG at mm/vmalloc.c - bisected Adrian Bunk
     [not found]           ` <20080826183051.GB10925-re2QNgSbS3j4D6uPqz5PAwR5/fbUUdgG@public.gmane.org>
2008-08-26 18:40             ` Linus Torvalds
     [not found]               ` <alpine.LFD.1.10.0808261134530.3363-nfNrOhbfy2R17+2ddN/4kux8cNe9sq/dYPYVAmT7z5s@public.gmane.org>
2008-08-26 20:21                 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-08-26 20:41                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-08-27 16:21                     ` Jamie Lokier
2008-08-26 18:47             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-08-26 19:02               ` Jamie Lokier
     [not found]                 ` <20080826190213.GA30255-yetKDKU6eevNLxjTenLetw@public.gmane.org>
2008-08-26 19:18                   ` Linus Torvalds
     [not found]               ` <alpine.LFD.1.10.0808261144510.3363-nfNrOhbfy2R17+2ddN/4kux8cNe9sq/dYPYVAmT7z5s@public.gmane.org>
2008-08-26 20:59                 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-08-26 21:04                   ` Linus Torvalds
     [not found]                     ` <alpine.LFD.1.10.0808261403360.3363-nfNrOhbfy2R17+2ddN/4kux8cNe9sq/dYPYVAmT7z5s@public.gmane.org>
2008-08-26 22:54                       ` Parag Warudkar
     [not found]                         ` <f7848160808261554j2f4eaaa6i1ee8801ae75ca7bf-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2008-08-26 23:00                           ` David VomLehn
2008-08-26 23:45                             ` Adrian Bunk
2008-08-26 23:47                         ` Linus Torvalds
     [not found]                           ` <alpine.LFD.1.10.0808261644260.3363-nfNrOhbfy2R17+2ddN/4kux8cNe9sq/dYPYVAmT7z5s@public.gmane.org>
2008-08-27  0:53                             ` Greg Ungerer
2008-08-27  1:08                               ` Parag Warudkar
2008-08-27  1:31                                 ` Greg Ungerer
     [not found]                                   ` <48B4AE68.4040205-XXXsiaCtIV5Wk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2008-08-27  2:16                                     ` Parag Warudkar
2008-08-27  8:44                                       ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2008-08-27  0:58                             ` Parag Warudkar
     [not found]                               ` <f7848160808261758q7b84aab1m188c1ebb59304818-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2008-08-27  1:49                                 ` Linus Torvalds
     [not found]                                   ` <alpine.LFD.1.10.0808261837530.3363-nfNrOhbfy2R17+2ddN/4kux8cNe9sq/dYPYVAmT7z5s@public.gmane.org>
2008-08-27  2:36                                     ` Parag Warudkar
     [not found]                                       ` <f7848160808261936m18c69dc0r26f41850efae4b91-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2008-08-27  2:52                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2008-08-27  8:32                                       ` Alan Cox
2008-08-27  6:01                                     ` Paul Mackerras
     [not found]                                       ` <18612.60878.887716.452936-nUko2b1QN/1kfgV4h6NXRTJtLkR7yuzc@public.gmane.org>
2008-08-27 10:58                                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-08-27 15:18                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-08-27 11:58                                   ` Adrian Bunk
2008-08-27  9:00                               ` Bernd Petrovitsch
     [not found]                                 ` <1219827609.30209.29.camel-7sPfb3biEqGJZy4MaDjwDw@public.gmane.org>
2008-08-27 12:56                                   ` Parag Warudkar
2008-08-27 13:17                                     ` Bernd Petrovitsch
     [not found]                                       ` <1219843032.30209.51.camel-7sPfb3biEqGJZy4MaDjwDw@public.gmane.org>
2008-08-27 15:48                                         ` Jamie Lokier
2008-08-27 16:38                                           ` Bernd Petrovitsch
     [not found]                                             ` <1219855121.30209.112.camel-7sPfb3biEqGJZy4MaDjwDw@public.gmane.org>
2008-08-27 17:51                                               ` Jamie Lokier
2008-08-27 19:30                                                 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2008-08-28  0:06                                                 ` Greg Ungerer
     [not found]                                           ` <20080827154805.GA25387-yetKDKU6eevNLxjTenLetw@public.gmane.org>
2008-08-28  0:11                                             ` Greg Ungerer [this message]
2008-08-27  8:34                         ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2008-08-26 23:24                       ` Adrian Bunk
     [not found]                         ` <20080826232411.GC11734-re2QNgSbS3j4D6uPqz5PAwR5/fbUUdgG@public.gmane.org>
2008-08-26 23:51                           ` Linus Torvalds
     [not found]                             ` <alpine.LFD.1.10.0808261648140.3363-nfNrOhbfy2R17+2ddN/4kux8cNe9sq/dYPYVAmT7z5s@public.gmane.org>
2008-08-27  0:23                               ` Adrian Bunk
2008-08-27  0:28                                 ` Linus Torvalds
     [not found]                                   ` <alpine.LFD.1.10.0808261726560.3363-nfNrOhbfy2R17+2ddN/4kux8cNe9sq/dYPYVAmT7z5s@public.gmane.org>
2008-08-27 11:58                                     ` Adrian Bunk
     [not found]                                       ` <20080827115829.GF11734-re2QNgSbS3j4D6uPqz5PAwR5/fbUUdgG@public.gmane.org>
2008-08-27 16:00                                         ` Paul Mundt
2008-08-27 17:35                                           ` Adrian Bunk
2008-08-28  0:32                                             ` Paul Mundt
2008-08-28  0:46                                               ` David Miller
     [not found]                                                 ` <20080827.174605.85608276.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-08-28  1:02                                                   ` Paul Mundt
2008-08-28 16:16                                               ` Adrian Bunk
2008-08-28  1:05                                           ` Greg Ungerer
2008-08-27  8:25                           ` Alan Cox
2008-08-27 12:52                             ` Parag Warudkar
     [not found]                               ` <f7848160808270552u2ee66167x912a68e0bf8b25bf-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2008-08-27 13:21                                 ` Alan Cox
     [not found]                                   ` <20080827142142.303cdba8-qBU/x9rampVanCEyBjwyrvXRex20P6io@public.gmane.org>
2008-08-27 16:24                                     ` Parag Warudkar

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