From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: "H. Peter Anvin" Subject: Re: [Ksummit-2009-discuss] Representing Embedded Architectures at the Kernel Summit Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 10:14:17 -0700 Message-ID: <4A392469.8040309@zytor.com> References: <1243956140.4229.25.camel@mulgrave.int.hansenpartnership.com> <4A373EE6.6070201@compulab.co.il> <8bd0f97a0906160106g333eb222idd0d694f452650ff@mail.gmail.com> <20090616121909.GA1547@linux-mips.org> <4A38705A.3060007@zytor.com> <20090617150414.GA18525@linux-mips.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: In-Reply-To: <20090617150414.GA18525@linux-mips.org> Sender: linux-arch-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Ralf Baechle Cc: Mike Frysinger , Mike Rapoport , James Bottomley , linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org, ksummit-2009-discuss@lists.linux-foundation.org Ralf Baechle wrote: >> >> However, on most systems, even embedded, bringing up memory falls on >> firmware (sometimes in the form of a boot loader) so Linux rarely sees it. > > There are embedded systems were the firmware does not provide a usuable > memory map or where that is plain broken. Or Linux with some extra init > code serves as the firmware. Often there is a single serial EEPROM for > the entire system. If there is an atrocity that can save a penny it will > be commited at least in the embedded world. > "Rarely" is certainly not "never". Quite on the contrary. Also, I think you can remove "that can save a penny" from your last sentence... -- H. Peter Anvin, Intel Open Source Technology Center I work for Intel. I don't speak on their behalf.