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From: "Josh Boyer" <jwboyer@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: cross-compiling alternatives (was Re: [PATCH 0/1] Embedded Maintainer(s)...)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 14:29:50 -0400
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To: Mike Frysinger <vapier.adi@gmail.com>
Cc: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>, Tim Bird <tim.bird@am.sony.com>, Rob Landley <rob@landley.net>, Greg Ungerer <gerg@snapgear.com>, Sam Ravnborg <sam@ravnborg.org>, Leon Woestenberg <leon.woestenberg@gmail.com>, linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org

On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Mike Frysinger <vapier.adi@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 11:50 AM, David Woodhouse wrote:
>> On Thu, 2008-06-12 at 08:23 -0700, Tim Bird wrote:
>>> Rob Landley wrote:
>>> > However, having one or more full-time engineers devoted to debugging
>>> > cross-compile issues is quite a high price to pay too.  Moore's law really
>>> > doesn't help that one.
>>> >
>>> > I'm not saying either solution is perfect, I'm just saying the "build under
>>> > emulation" approach is a viable alternative that gets more attractive as time
>>> > passes, both because of ongoing development on emulators and because of
>>> > Moore's law on the hardware.
>>>
>>> I agree with much that you have said, Rob, and I understand the argument
>>> for getting the most gain from the least resources, but I have a philosophical
>>> problem with working around the cross-compilation problems instead of fixing
>>> them in the upstream packages (or in the autoconf system itself).
>>>
>>> Once someone fixes the cross-compilation issues for a package, they usually
>>> stay fixed, if the fixes are mainlined.
>>
>> I don't think that's true, unfortunately. Autoconf makes it _easy_ to do
>> the wrong thing, and people will often introduce new problems.
>>
>> If we just made people write portable code and proper Makefiles, it
>> would be less of an issue :)
>
> people cant even write proper *native* makefiles.  mtd-utils for example ;).

What's wrong with it?  I'll fix it.

josh