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From: "Mike Frysinger" <vapier.adi@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: cross-compiling alternatives (was Re: [PATCH 0/1] Embedded Maintainer(s)...)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:02:13 -0400
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To: Josh Boyer <jwboyer@gmail.com>
Cc: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>, Tim Bird <tim.bird@am.sony.com>, Rob Landley <rob@landley.net>, Greg Ungerer <gerg@snapgear.com>, Sam Ravnborg <sam@ravnborg.org>, Leon Woestenberg <leon.woestenberg@gmail.com>, linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org

On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 2:29 PM, Josh Boyer wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Mike Frysinger wrote:
>> On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 11:50 AM, David Woodhouse wrote:
>>> On Thu, 2008-06-12 at 08:23 -0700, Tim Bird wrote:
>>>> Rob Landley wrote:
>>>> > However, having one or more full-time engineers devoted to debugging
>>>> > cross-compile issues is quite a high price to pay too.  Moore's law really
>>>> > doesn't help that one.
>>>> >
>>>> > I'm not saying either solution is perfect, I'm just saying the "build under
>>>> > emulation" approach is a viable alternative that gets more attractive as time
>>>> > passes, both because of ongoing development on emulators and because of
>>>> > Moore's law on the hardware.
>>>>
>>>> I agree with much that you have said, Rob, and I understand the argument
>>>> for getting the most gain from the least resources, but I have a philosophical
>>>> problem with working around the cross-compilation problems instead of fixing
>>>> them in the upstream packages (or in the autoconf system itself).
>>>>
>>>> Once someone fixes the cross-compilation issues for a package, they usually
>>>> stay fixed, if the fixes are mainlined.
>>>
>>> I don't think that's true, unfortunately. Autoconf makes it _easy_ to do
>>> the wrong thing, and people will often introduce new problems.
>>>
>>> If we just made people write portable code and proper Makefiles, it
>>> would be less of an issue :)
>>
>> people cant even write proper *native* makefiles.  mtd-utils for example ;).
>
> What's wrong with it?  I'll fix it.

is linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org not the place to post ?  that's where
i sent the first fix yesterday ... not that i'm subscribed since i
dont have a direct interest in mtd development ...
-mike