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From: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
To: David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>
Cc: Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Colin King <colin.king@canonical.com>,
	Raghavendra D Prabhu <raghu.prabhu13@gmail.com>,
	Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>, Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>,
	Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
	Pekka Enberg <penberg@kernel.org>, Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-ext4 <linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/3] mm: slub: Default slub_max_order to 0
Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 15:53:11 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1305147191.2606.51.camel@mulgrave.site> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1105111314310.9346@chino.kir.corp.google.com>

On Wed, 2011-05-11 at 13:38 -0700, David Rientjes wrote:
> On Wed, 11 May 2011, Mel Gorman wrote:
> 
> > To avoid locking and per-cpu overhead, SLUB optimisically uses
> > high-order allocations up to order-3 by default and falls back to
> > lower allocations if they fail. While care is taken that the caller
> > and kswapd take no unusual steps in response to this, there are
> > further consequences like shrinkers who have to free more objects to
> > release any memory. There is anecdotal evidence that significant time
> > is being spent looping in shrinkers with insufficient progress being
> > made (https://lkml.org/lkml/2011/4/28/361) and keeping kswapd awake.
> > 
> > SLUB is now the default allocator and some bug reports have been
> > pinned down to SLUB using high orders during operations like
> > copying large amounts of data. SLUBs use of high-orders benefits
> > applications that are sized to memory appropriately but this does not
> > necessarily apply to large file servers or desktops.  This patch
> > causes SLUB to use order-0 pages like SLAB does by default.
> > There is further evidence that this keeps kswapd's usage lower
> > (https://lkml.org/lkml/2011/5/10/383).
> > 
> 
> This is going to severely impact slub's performance for applications on 
> machines with plenty of memory available where fragmentation isn't a 
> concern when allocating from caches with large object sizes (even 
> changing the min order of kamlloc-256 from 1 to 0!) by default for users 
> who don't use slub_max_order=3 on the command line.  SLUB relies heavily 
> on allocating from the cpu slab and freeing to the cpu slab to avoid the 
> slowpaths, so higher order slabs are important for its performance.
> 
> I can get numbers for a simple netperf TCP_RR benchmark with this change 
> applied to show the degradation on a server with >32GB of RAM with this 
> patch applied.
> 
> It would be ideal if this default could be adjusted based on the amount of 
> memory available in the smallest node to determine whether we're concerned 
> about making higher order allocations.  (Using the smallest node as a 
> metric so that mempolicies and cpusets don't get unfairly biased against.)  
> With the previous changes in this patchset, specifically avoiding waking 
> kswapd and doing compaction for the higher order allocs before falling 
> back to the min order, it shouldn't be devastating to try an order-3 alloc 
> that will fail quickly.

So my testing has shown that simply booting the kernel with
slub_max_order=0 makes the hang I'm seeing go away.  This definitely
implicates the higher order allocations in the kswapd problem.  I think
it would be wise not to make it the default until we can sort out the
root cause.

James





  reply	other threads:[~2011-05-11 20:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-05-11 15:29 [PATCH 0/3] Reduce impact to overall system of SLUB using high-order allocations Mel Gorman
2011-05-11 15:29 ` [PATCH 1/3] mm: slub: Do not wake kswapd for SLUBs speculative " Mel Gorman
2011-05-11 20:38   ` David Rientjes
2011-05-11 15:29 ` [PATCH 2/3] mm: slub: Do not take expensive steps " Mel Gorman
2011-05-11 20:38   ` David Rientjes
2011-05-11 21:10     ` Mel Gorman
2011-05-12 17:25       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-05-11 15:29 ` [PATCH 3/3] mm: slub: Default slub_max_order to 0 Mel Gorman
2011-05-11 20:38   ` David Rientjes
2011-05-11 20:53     ` James Bottomley [this message]
2011-05-11 21:09     ` Mel Gorman
2011-05-11 22:27       ` David Rientjes
2011-05-13 10:14         ` Mel Gorman
2011-05-12 17:36     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-05-16 21:03       ` David Rientjes
2011-05-17  9:48         ` Mel Gorman
2011-05-17 19:25           ` David Rientjes
2011-05-12 14:43   ` Christoph Lameter
2011-05-12 15:15     ` James Bottomley
2011-05-12 15:27       ` Christoph Lameter
2011-05-12 15:43         ` James Bottomley
2011-05-12 15:46           ` Dave Jones
2011-05-12 16:00             ` James Bottomley
2011-05-12 16:08               ` Dave Jones
2011-05-12 16:27               ` Christoph Lameter
2011-05-12 16:30                 ` James Bottomley
2011-05-12 16:48                   ` Christoph Lameter
2011-05-12 17:46                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-05-12 18:00                       ` Christoph Lameter
2011-05-12 18:18                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-05-12 17:06                   ` Pekka Enberg
2011-05-12 17:11                     ` Pekka Enberg
2011-05-12 17:38                       ` Christoph Lameter
2011-05-12 18:00                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-05-13  9:49                           ` Mel Gorman
2011-05-15 16:39                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-05-16  8:42                               ` Mel Gorman
2011-05-12 17:51                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-05-12 18:03                         ` Christoph Lameter
2011-05-12 18:09                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-05-12 18:16                             ` Christoph Lameter
2011-05-12 18:36                       ` James Bottomley
2011-05-12 17:40                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-05-12 15:55           ` Pekka Enberg
2011-05-12 18:37             ` James Bottomley
2011-05-12 18:46               ` Christoph Lameter
2011-05-12 19:21                 ` James Bottomley
2011-05-12 19:44               ` James Bottomley
2011-05-12 20:04                 ` James Bottomley
2011-05-12 20:29                   ` Johannes Weiner
2011-05-12 20:31                     ` Johannes Weiner
2011-05-12 20:31                     ` James Bottomley
2011-05-12 22:04                   ` James Bottomley
2011-05-12 22:15                     ` Johannes Weiner
2011-05-12 22:58                       ` Minchan Kim
2011-05-13  5:39                         ` Minchan Kim
2011-05-13  0:47                       ` James Bottomley
2011-05-13  4:12                         ` James Bottomley
2011-05-13 10:55                         ` Mel Gorman
2011-05-13 14:16                           ` James Bottomley
2011-05-13 10:30                       ` Mel Gorman
2011-05-13  6:16                   ` Pekka Enberg
2011-05-13 10:05                     ` Mel Gorman
2011-05-12 16:01           ` Christoph Lameter
2011-05-12 16:10             ` Eric Dumazet
2011-05-12 17:37               ` Andrew Morton
2011-05-12 15:45         ` Dave Jones
2011-05-11 21:39 ` [PATCH 0/3] Reduce impact to overall system of SLUB using high-order allocations James Bottomley
2011-05-11 22:28   ` David Rientjes
2011-05-11 22:34     ` James Bottomley
2011-05-12 11:13       ` Pekka Enberg
2011-05-12 13:19         ` Mel Gorman
2011-05-12 14:04         ` James Bottomley
2011-05-12 15:53           ` James Bottomley
2011-05-13 11:25             ` Mel Gorman
2011-05-12 18:04       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-05-13 11:24         ` Mel Gorman

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