From: "Verma, Vishal L" <vishal.l.verma@intel.com>
To: "david@fromorbit.com" <david@fromorbit.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 5/5] dax: handle media errors in dax_do_io
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 23:53:13 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1461628381.1421.24.camel@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160425232552.GD18496@dastard>
On Tue, 2016-04-26 at 09:25 +1000, Dave Chinner wrote:
>
<>
> >
> > - It checks badblocks and discovers it's files have lost data
> Lots of hand-waving here. How does the application map a bad
> "sector" to a file without scanning the entire filesystem to find
> the owner of the bad sector?
Yes this was hand-wavey, but we talked about this a bit at LSF..
The idea is that a per-block-device badblocks list is available at
/sys/block/<pmemX>/badblocks. The application (or a suitable yet-to-be-
written library function) does a fiemap to figure out the sectors its
files are using, and correlates the two lists.
We can also look into providing an easier-to-use interface from the
kernel, in the form of an fiemap flag to report only the bad sectors, or
a SEEK_BAD flag..
The application doesn't have to scan the entire filesystem, but
presumably it knows what files it 'owns', and does a fiemap for those.
>
> >
> > - It write()s those sectors (possibly converted to file offsets
> > using
> > fiemap)
> > * This triggers the fallback path, but if the application is
> > doing
> > this level of recovery, it will know the sector is bad, and write
> > the
> > entire sector
> Where does the application find the data that was lost to be able to
> rewrite it?
The data that was lost is gone -- this assumes the application has some
ability to recover using a journal/log or other redundancy - yes, at the
application layer. If it doesn't have this sort of capability, the only
option is to restore files from a backup/mirror.
>
> >
> > - Or it replaces the entire file from backup also using write() (not
> > mmap+stores)
> > * This just frees the fs block, and the next time the block is
> > reallocated by the fs, it will likely be zeroed first, and that will
> > be
> > done through the driver and will clear errors
> There's an implicit assumption that applications will keep redundant
> copies of their data at the /application layer/ and be able to
> automatically repair it? And then there's the implicit assumption
> that it will unlink and free the entire file before writing a new
> copy, and that then assumes the the filesystem will zero blocks if
> they get reused to clear errors on that LBA sector mapping before
> they are accessible again to userspace..
>
> It seems to me that there are a number of assumptions being made
> across multiple layers here. Maybe I've missed something - can you
> point me to the design/architecture description so I can see how
> "app does data recovery itself" dance is supposed to work?
There isn't a document other than the flow in my head :) - but maybe I
could write one up..
I wasn't thinking the application itself maintains and restores from
backup copy of the file.. The application hits either a SIGBUS or EIO
depending on how it accesses the data, and crashes or raises some alarm.
The recovery is then done out-of-band, by a sysadmin or such (i.e.
delete the file, replace with a known good copy, restart application).
To summarize, the two cases we want to handle are:
1. Application has inbuilt recovery:
- hits badblock
- figures out it is able to recover the data
- handles SIGBUS or EIO
- does a (sector aligned) write() to restore the data
2. Application doesn't have any inbuilt recovery mechanism
- hits badblock
- gets SIGBUS (or EIO) and crashes
- Sysadmin restores file from backup
Case 1 is handled by either a fallback to direct_IO from dax_do_io, or
always _actually_ doing direct_IO when we're opened with O_DIRECT in
spite of dax (what Dan suggested). Currently if we're mounted with dax,
all IO O_DIRECT or otherwise will go through dax_do_io.
Case 2 is handled by patch 4 of the series:
dax: use sb_issue_zerout instead of calling dax_clear_sectors
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2016-04-25 23:53 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-03-30 1:59 [PATCH v2 0/5] dax: handling of media errors Vishal Verma
2016-03-30 1:59 ` [PATCH v2 1/5] block, dax: pass blk_dax_ctl through to drivers Vishal Verma
2016-03-30 4:19 ` kbuild test robot
2016-04-15 14:55 ` Jeff Moyer
2016-03-30 1:59 ` [PATCH v2 2/5] dax: fallback from pmd to pte on error Vishal Verma
2016-04-15 14:55 ` Jeff Moyer
2016-03-30 1:59 ` [PATCH v2 3/5] dax: enable dax in the presence of known media errors (badblocks) Vishal Verma
2016-04-15 14:56 ` Jeff Moyer
2016-03-30 1:59 ` [PATCH v2 4/5] dax: use sb_issue_zerout instead of calling dax_clear_sectors Vishal Verma
2016-04-15 15:18 ` Jeff Moyer
2016-03-30 1:59 ` [PATCH v2 5/5] dax: handle media errors in dax_do_io Vishal Verma
2016-03-30 3:00 ` kbuild test robot
2016-03-30 6:34 ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-03-30 6:54 ` Vishal Verma
2016-03-30 6:56 ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-04-15 16:11 ` Jeff Moyer
2016-04-15 16:54 ` Verma, Vishal L
2016-04-15 17:11 ` Jeff Moyer
2016-04-15 17:37 ` Verma, Vishal L
2016-04-15 17:57 ` Dan Williams
2016-04-15 18:06 ` Jeff Moyer
2016-04-15 18:17 ` Dan Williams
2016-04-15 18:24 ` Jeff Moyer
2016-04-15 18:56 ` Dan Williams
2016-04-15 19:13 ` Jeff Moyer
2016-04-15 19:01 ` Toshi Kani
2016-04-15 19:08 ` Toshi Kani
2016-04-20 20:59 ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-04-23 18:08 ` Verma, Vishal L
2016-04-25 8:31 ` hch
2016-04-25 15:32 ` Jeff Moyer
2016-04-26 8:32 ` hch
2016-04-25 17:14 ` Verma, Vishal L
2016-04-25 17:21 ` Dan Williams
2016-04-25 23:25 ` Dave Chinner
2016-04-25 23:34 ` Darrick J. Wong
2016-04-25 23:43 ` Dan Williams
2016-04-26 0:11 ` Dave Chinner
2016-04-26 1:45 ` Dan Williams
2016-04-26 2:56 ` Dave Chinner
2016-04-26 4:18 ` Dan Williams
2016-04-26 8:27 ` Dave Chinner
2016-04-26 14:59 ` Dan Williams
2016-04-26 15:31 ` Jan Kara
2016-04-26 17:16 ` Dan Williams
2016-04-25 23:53 ` Verma, Vishal L [this message]
2016-04-26 0:41 ` Dave Chinner
2016-04-26 14:58 ` Vishal Verma
2016-05-02 15:18 ` Jeff Moyer
2016-05-02 17:53 ` Dan Williams
2016-05-03 0:42 ` Dave Chinner
2016-05-03 1:26 ` Rudoff, Andy
2016-05-03 2:49 ` Dave Chinner
2016-05-03 18:30 ` Rudoff, Andy
2016-05-04 1:36 ` Dave Chinner
2016-05-02 23:04 ` Dave Chinner
2016-05-02 23:17 ` Verma, Vishal L
2016-05-02 23:25 ` Dan Williams
2016-05-03 1:51 ` Dave Chinner
2016-05-03 17:28 ` Dan Williams
2016-05-04 3:18 ` Dave Chinner
2016-05-04 5:05 ` Dan Williams
2016-04-26 8:33 ` hch
2016-04-26 15:01 ` Vishal Verma
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