From: "Verma, Vishal L" <vishal.l.verma@intel.com>
To: "david@fromorbit.com" <david@fromorbit.com>,
"jmoyer@redhat.com" <jmoyer@redhat.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 5/5] dax: handle media errors in dax_do_io
Date: Mon, 2 May 2016 23:17:21 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1462231029.1421.82.camel@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160502230422.GQ26977@dastard>
On Tue, 2016-05-03 at 09:04 +1000, Dave Chinner wrote:
> On Mon, May 02, 2016 at 11:18:36AM -0400, Jeff Moyer wrote:
> >
> > Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com> writes:
> >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 11:53:13PM +0000, Verma, Vishal L wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, 2016-04-26 at 09:25 +1000, Dave Chinner wrote:
> > > You're assuming that only the DAX aware application accesses it's
> > > files. users, backup programs, data replicators, fileystem
> > > re-organisers (e.g. defragmenters) etc all may access the files
> > > and
> > > they may throw errors. What then?
> > I'm not sure how this is any different from regular storage. If an
> > application gets EIO, it's up to the app to decide what to do with
> > that.
> Sure - they'll fail. But the question I'm asking is that if the
> application that owns the data is supposed to do error recovery,
> what happens when a 3rd party application hits an error? If that
> consumes the error, the the app that owns the data won't ever get a
> chance to correct the error.
>
> This is a minefield - a 3rd party app that swallows and clears DAX
> based IO errors is a data corruption vector. can yo imagine if
> *grep* did this? The model that is being promoted here effectively
> allows this sort of behaviour - I don't really think we
> should be architecting an error recovery strategy that has the
> capability to go this wrong....
>
Just to address this bit - No. Any number of backup/3rd party
application can hit the error and _fail_ but surely they won't try to
_write_ the bad location? Only a write to the bad sector will clear it
in this model - and until such time, all reads will just keep erroring
out. This works for DAX/mmap based reads/writes too - mmap-stores
won't/can't clear errors - you have to go through the block path, and in
the altest version of my patch set, that has to be explicitly through
O_DIRECT.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2016-05-02 23:17 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-03-30 1:59 [PATCH v2 0/5] dax: handling of media errors Vishal Verma
2016-03-30 1:59 ` [PATCH v2 1/5] block, dax: pass blk_dax_ctl through to drivers Vishal Verma
2016-03-30 4:19 ` kbuild test robot
2016-04-15 14:55 ` Jeff Moyer
2016-03-30 1:59 ` [PATCH v2 2/5] dax: fallback from pmd to pte on error Vishal Verma
2016-04-15 14:55 ` Jeff Moyer
2016-03-30 1:59 ` [PATCH v2 3/5] dax: enable dax in the presence of known media errors (badblocks) Vishal Verma
2016-04-15 14:56 ` Jeff Moyer
2016-03-30 1:59 ` [PATCH v2 4/5] dax: use sb_issue_zerout instead of calling dax_clear_sectors Vishal Verma
2016-04-15 15:18 ` Jeff Moyer
2016-03-30 1:59 ` [PATCH v2 5/5] dax: handle media errors in dax_do_io Vishal Verma
2016-03-30 3:00 ` kbuild test robot
2016-03-30 6:34 ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-03-30 6:54 ` Vishal Verma
2016-03-30 6:56 ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-04-15 16:11 ` Jeff Moyer
2016-04-15 16:54 ` Verma, Vishal L
2016-04-15 17:11 ` Jeff Moyer
2016-04-15 17:37 ` Verma, Vishal L
2016-04-15 17:57 ` Dan Williams
2016-04-15 18:06 ` Jeff Moyer
2016-04-15 18:17 ` Dan Williams
2016-04-15 18:24 ` Jeff Moyer
2016-04-15 18:56 ` Dan Williams
2016-04-15 19:13 ` Jeff Moyer
2016-04-15 19:01 ` Toshi Kani
2016-04-15 19:08 ` Toshi Kani
2016-04-20 20:59 ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-04-23 18:08 ` Verma, Vishal L
2016-04-25 8:31 ` hch
2016-04-25 15:32 ` Jeff Moyer
2016-04-26 8:32 ` hch
2016-04-25 17:14 ` Verma, Vishal L
2016-04-25 17:21 ` Dan Williams
2016-04-25 23:25 ` Dave Chinner
2016-04-25 23:34 ` Darrick J. Wong
2016-04-25 23:43 ` Dan Williams
2016-04-26 0:11 ` Dave Chinner
2016-04-26 1:45 ` Dan Williams
2016-04-26 2:56 ` Dave Chinner
2016-04-26 4:18 ` Dan Williams
2016-04-26 8:27 ` Dave Chinner
2016-04-26 14:59 ` Dan Williams
2016-04-26 15:31 ` Jan Kara
2016-04-26 17:16 ` Dan Williams
2016-04-25 23:53 ` Verma, Vishal L
2016-04-26 0:41 ` Dave Chinner
2016-04-26 14:58 ` Vishal Verma
2016-05-02 15:18 ` Jeff Moyer
2016-05-02 17:53 ` Dan Williams
2016-05-03 0:42 ` Dave Chinner
2016-05-03 1:26 ` Rudoff, Andy
2016-05-03 2:49 ` Dave Chinner
2016-05-03 18:30 ` Rudoff, Andy
2016-05-04 1:36 ` Dave Chinner
2016-05-02 23:04 ` Dave Chinner
2016-05-02 23:17 ` Verma, Vishal L [this message]
2016-05-02 23:25 ` Dan Williams
2016-05-03 1:51 ` Dave Chinner
2016-05-03 17:28 ` Dan Williams
2016-05-04 3:18 ` Dave Chinner
2016-05-04 5:05 ` Dan Williams
2016-04-26 8:33 ` hch
2016-04-26 15:01 ` Vishal Verma
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