From: Jeff Layton <jlayton-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
To: Jan Kara <jack-AlSwsSmVLrQ@public.gmane.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 19/19] fs: handle inode->i_version more efficiently
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2017 12:14:30 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1513703670.20392.21.camel@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20171219092947.GC2277-4I4JzKEfoa/jFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
On Tue, 2017-12-19 at 10:29 +0100, Jan Kara wrote:
> On Mon 18-12-17 12:22:20, Jeff Layton wrote:
> > On Mon, 2017-12-18 at 17:34 +0100, Jan Kara wrote:
> > > On Mon 18-12-17 10:11:56, Jeff Layton wrote:
> > > > static inline bool
> > > > inode_maybe_inc_iversion(struct inode *inode, bool force)
> > > > {
> > > > - atomic64_t *ivp = (atomic64_t *)&inode->i_version;
> > > > + u64 cur, old, new;
> > > >
> > > > - atomic64_inc(ivp);
> > > > + cur = (u64)atomic64_read(&inode->i_version);
> > > > + for (;;) {
> > > > + /* If flag is clear then we needn't do anything */
> > > > + if (!force && !(cur & I_VERSION_QUERIED))
> > > > + return false;
> > >
> > > The fast path here misses any memory barrier. Thus it seems this query
> > > could be in theory reordered before any store that happened to modify the
> > > inode? Or maybe we could race and miss the fact that in fact this i_version
> > > has already been queried? But maybe there's some higher level locking that
> > > makes sure this is all a non-issue... But in that case it would deserve
> > > some comment I guess.
> > >
> >
> > There's no higher-level locking. Getting locking out of this codepath is
> > a good thing IMO. The larger question here is whether we really care
> > about ordering this with anything else.
> >
> > The i_version, as implemented today, is not ordered with actual changes
> > to the inode. We only take the i_lock today when modifying it, not when
> > querying it. It's possible today that you could see the results of a
> > change and then do a fetch of the i_version that doesn't show an
> > increment vs. a previous change.
>
> Yeah, so I don't suggest that you should fix unrelated issues but original
> i_lock protection did actually provide memory barriers (although
> semi-permeable, but in practice they are very often enough) and your patch
> removing those could have changed a theoretical issue to a practical
> problem. So at least preserving that original acquire-release semantics
> of i_version handling would be IMHO good.
>
Agreed. I've no objection to memory barriers here and I'm looking at
that, I just need to go over Dave's comments and memory-barriers.txt
(again!) to make sure I get them right.
> > It'd be nice if this were atomic with the actual changes that it
> > represents, but I think that would be prohibitively expensive. That may
> > be something we need to address. I'm not sure we really want to do it as
> > part of this patchset though.
> >
> > > > +
> > > > + /* Since lowest bit is flag, add 2 to avoid it */
> > > > + new = (cur & ~I_VERSION_QUERIED) + I_VERSION_INCREMENT;
> > > > +
> > > > + old = atomic64_cmpxchg(&inode->i_version, cur, new);
> > > > + if (likely(old == cur))
> > > > + break;
> > > > + cur = old;
> > > > + }
> > > > return true;
> > > > }
> > > >
> > >
> > > ...
> > >
> > > > static inline u64
> > > > inode_query_iversion(struct inode *inode)
> > > > {
> > > > - return inode_peek_iversion(inode);
> > > > + u64 cur, old, new;
> > > > +
> > > > + cur = atomic64_read(&inode->i_version);
> > > > + for (;;) {
> > > > + /* If flag is already set, then no need to swap */
> > > > + if (cur & I_VERSION_QUERIED)
> > > > + break;
> > > > +
> > > > + new = cur | I_VERSION_QUERIED;
> > > > + old = atomic64_cmpxchg(&inode->i_version, cur, new);
> > > > + if (old == cur)
> > > > + break;
> > > > + cur = old;
> > > > + }
> > >
> > > Why not just use atomic64_or() here?
> > >
> >
> > If the cmpxchg fails, then either:
> >
> > 1) it was incremented
> > 2) someone flagged it QUERIED
> >
> > If an increment happened then we don't need to flag it as QUERIED if
> > we're returning an older value. If we use atomic64_or, then we can't
> > tell if an increment happened so we'd end up potentially flagging it
> > more than necessary.
> >
> > In principle, either outcome is technically OK and we don't have to loop
> > if the cmpxchg doesn't work. That said, if we think there might be a
> > later i_version available, then I think we probably want to try to query
> > it again so we can return as late a one as possible.
>
> OK, makes sense. I'm just a bit vary of cmpxchg loops as they tend to
> behave pretty badly in contended cases but I guess i_version won't be
> hammered *that* hard.
>
That's the principle I'm operating under here, and I think it's valid
for almost all workloads. Incrementing the i_version on parallel writes
should be mostly uncontended now, whereas they at had to serialize on
the i_lock before.
The pessimal case here, I think is parallel increments and queries. We
may see that sort of workload under knfsd, but I'm fine with giving
knfsd a small performance hit to help performance on other workloads.
While we're on the subject of looping here, should I add a cpu_relax()
into these loops?
Thanks for the review so far!
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prev parent reply other threads:[~2017-12-19 17:14 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2017-12-18 15:11 [PATCH v3 00/19] fs: rework and optimize i_version handling in filesystems Jeff Layton
2017-12-18 15:11 ` [PATCH v3 01/19] fs: new API for handling inode->i_version Jeff Layton
2017-12-18 17:46 ` Jeff Layton
2017-12-18 15:11 ` [PATCH v3 02/19] fs: don't take the i_lock in inode_inc_iversion Jeff Layton
2017-12-18 15:11 ` [PATCH v3 03/19] fat: convert to new i_version API Jeff Layton
2017-12-18 15:11 ` [PATCH v3 04/19] affs: " Jeff Layton
2017-12-18 15:11 ` [PATCH v3 05/19] afs: " Jeff Layton
[not found] ` <20171218151156.14565-1-jlayton-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2017-12-18 15:11 ` [PATCH v3 06/19] btrfs: " Jeff Layton
2017-12-18 15:11 ` [PATCH v3 12/19] ocfs2: " Jeff Layton
2017-12-18 15:11 ` [PATCH v3 15/19] IMA: switch IMA over " Jeff Layton
2017-12-18 15:11 ` [PATCH v3 07/19] exofs: switch " Jeff Layton
2017-12-18 15:11 ` [PATCH v3 08/19] ext2: convert " Jeff Layton
2017-12-18 15:11 ` [PATCH v3 09/19] ext4: " Jeff Layton
2017-12-18 15:11 ` [PATCH v3 10/19] nfs: " Jeff Layton
2017-12-18 15:11 ` [PATCH v3 11/19] nfsd: " Jeff Layton
2017-12-18 15:11 ` [PATCH v3 13/19] ufs: use " Jeff Layton
2017-12-18 15:11 ` [PATCH v3 14/19] xfs: convert to " Jeff Layton
2017-12-18 15:11 ` [PATCH v3 16/19] fs: only set S_VERSION when updating times if necessary Jeff Layton
[not found] ` <20171218151156.14565-17-jlayton-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2017-12-18 16:07 ` Jan Kara
2017-12-18 17:25 ` Jeff Layton
2017-12-18 15:11 ` [PATCH v3 17/19] xfs: avoid setting XFS_ILOG_CORE if i_version doesn't need incrementing Jeff Layton
2017-12-18 15:11 ` [PATCH v3 18/19] btrfs: only dirty the inode in btrfs_update_time if something was changed Jeff Layton
2017-12-18 15:11 ` [PATCH v3 19/19] fs: handle inode->i_version more efficiently Jeff Layton
2017-12-18 16:34 ` Jan Kara
2017-12-18 17:22 ` Jeff Layton
2017-12-18 17:36 ` J. Bruce Fields
2017-12-18 19:35 ` Jeff Layton
2017-12-18 22:07 ` Dave Chinner
2017-12-20 14:03 ` Jeff Layton
[not found] ` <1513778586.4513.18.camel-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2017-12-20 16:41 ` Jan Kara
[not found] ` <20171220164150.GF31584-4I4JzKEfoa/jFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2017-12-21 11:25 ` Jeff Layton
2017-12-21 11:48 ` Jan Kara
2017-12-19 9:29 ` Jan Kara
[not found] ` <20171219092947.GC2277-4I4JzKEfoa/jFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2017-12-19 17:14 ` Jeff Layton [this message]
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