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From: "Jörn Engel" <joern@lazybastard.org>
To: Eric Sandeen <sandeen@redhat.com>
Cc: Phillip Susi <psusi@cfl.rr.com>,
	Samuel Thibault <samuel.thibault@ens-lyon.org>,
	linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Add a norecovery option to ext3/4?
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 09:22:53 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070410072253.GA28665@lazybastard.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <461A760B.1040103@redhat.com>

On Mon, 9 April 2007 12:21:15 -0500, Eric Sandeen wrote:
> Phillip Susi wrote:
> > 
> > When the filesystem is told to mount the disk read only, that means it 
> > should not write to it.  
> 
> It means the filesystem should not be writeable when it is mounted.
> This is not the same as saying that the filesystem itself should do no
> IO in the course of making that read-only mount available.

The filesystem has two interfaces.  One to the device underneith, one to
userspace.  Read-only should certainly mean that no writes cross the
userspace interface.  Traditionally it has implicitly also meant that
no writes are crossing the device interface.  Whether that was/is an
explicit requirement - who knows.

Journaling filesystems have introduced this thing called "journal
replay".  And I have to admit, it makes thing _a lot_ easier to always
replay the journal, even when being mounted read-only.

But "it is easier" is a pretty lame excuse.

> Under all conditions it should be safe to mount a read-only block
> device, but that is not the same as mounting a filesystem read-only.

In particular, it is a lame excuse when this claim is true.  If the
block-device is read-only, then journal replay will not work as expected
and all the "not so easy" work has to be done anyway.

Did I miss anything?  Is it actually easier to mount a read-only device
with unclean journal than mounting a read-write device and not replay
the journal?

Jörn

-- 
Joern's library part 8:
http://citeseer.ist.psu.edu/plank97tutorial.html

  reply	other threads:[~2007-04-10  7:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-04-09  0:05 Add a norecovery option to ext3/4? Samuel Thibault
2007-04-09  3:24 ` Eric Sandeen
2007-04-09  3:31   ` Samuel Thibault
2007-04-09  3:42     ` Eric Sandeen
2007-04-09 14:00       ` Theodore Tso
2007-04-09  4:29   ` Brad Campbell
2007-04-09 10:14   ` Andreas Dilger
2007-04-09 13:42   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-04-09 16:37   ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-04-11 20:06   ` Pavel Machek
2007-04-09 15:43 ` Phillip Susi
2007-04-09 16:20   ` Kyle Moffett
2007-04-09 17:21   ` Eric Sandeen
2007-04-10  7:22     ` Jörn Engel [this message]
2007-04-10 11:27       ` Theodore Tso
2007-04-10 12:08         ` Jörn Engel
2007-04-10 16:44           ` Matt Mackall
2007-04-10 18:54     ` Phillip Susi
2007-04-10 19:18       ` Eric Sandeen
2007-04-10 22:04         ` Phillip Susi
2007-04-11 20:09         ` Bill Davidsen
2007-04-12 13:54           ` Benny Amorsen
2007-04-15 18:49           ` Pavel Machek

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