From: "Jörn Engel" <joern@lazybastard.org>
To: Eric Sandeen <sandeen@redhat.com>
Cc: Phillip Susi <psusi@cfl.rr.com>,
Samuel Thibault <samuel.thibault@ens-lyon.org>,
linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Add a norecovery option to ext3/4?
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 09:22:53 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070410072253.GA28665@lazybastard.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <461A760B.1040103@redhat.com>
On Mon, 9 April 2007 12:21:15 -0500, Eric Sandeen wrote:
> Phillip Susi wrote:
> >
> > When the filesystem is told to mount the disk read only, that means it
> > should not write to it.
>
> It means the filesystem should not be writeable when it is mounted.
> This is not the same as saying that the filesystem itself should do no
> IO in the course of making that read-only mount available.
The filesystem has two interfaces. One to the device underneith, one to
userspace. Read-only should certainly mean that no writes cross the
userspace interface. Traditionally it has implicitly also meant that
no writes are crossing the device interface. Whether that was/is an
explicit requirement - who knows.
Journaling filesystems have introduced this thing called "journal
replay". And I have to admit, it makes thing _a lot_ easier to always
replay the journal, even when being mounted read-only.
But "it is easier" is a pretty lame excuse.
> Under all conditions it should be safe to mount a read-only block
> device, but that is not the same as mounting a filesystem read-only.
In particular, it is a lame excuse when this claim is true. If the
block-device is read-only, then journal replay will not work as expected
and all the "not so easy" work has to be done anyway.
Did I miss anything? Is it actually easier to mount a read-only device
with unclean journal than mounting a read-write device and not replay
the journal?
Jörn
--
Joern's library part 8:
http://citeseer.ist.psu.edu/plank97tutorial.html
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-04-10 7:26 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-04-09 0:05 Add a norecovery option to ext3/4? Samuel Thibault
2007-04-09 3:24 ` Eric Sandeen
2007-04-09 3:31 ` Samuel Thibault
2007-04-09 3:42 ` Eric Sandeen
2007-04-09 14:00 ` Theodore Tso
2007-04-09 4:29 ` Brad Campbell
2007-04-09 10:14 ` Andreas Dilger
2007-04-09 13:42 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-04-09 16:37 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-04-11 20:06 ` Pavel Machek
2007-04-09 15:43 ` Phillip Susi
2007-04-09 16:20 ` Kyle Moffett
2007-04-09 17:21 ` Eric Sandeen
2007-04-10 7:22 ` Jörn Engel [this message]
2007-04-10 11:27 ` Theodore Tso
2007-04-10 12:08 ` Jörn Engel
2007-04-10 16:44 ` Matt Mackall
2007-04-10 18:54 ` Phillip Susi
2007-04-10 19:18 ` Eric Sandeen
2007-04-10 22:04 ` Phillip Susi
2007-04-11 20:09 ` Bill Davidsen
2007-04-12 13:54 ` Benny Amorsen
2007-04-15 18:49 ` Pavel Machek
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