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From: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@polymtl.ca>
To: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Cc: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Jiri Slaby <jirislaby@gmail.com>,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	zdenek.kabelac@gmail.com, rjw@sisk.pl,
	paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, herbert@gondor.apana.org.au,
	penberg@cs.helsinki.fi, clameter@sgi.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, pageexec@freemail.hu,
	Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/1] x86: fix text_poke
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:04:23 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080425200423.GA25950@Krystal> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <48122ECF.405@zytor.com>

* H. Peter Anvin (hpa@zytor.com) wrote:
> Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
>>>> b) there might be a jump into the middle of this instruction sequence?
>>>>
>>> If we change that, as discussed above, so the liveliness of ZF and of
>>> the %al register is still insured by leaving the mov and test
>>> instructions in place, we end up only modifying a single instruction and
>>> the problem fades away. We would end up changing a jne for a jmp.
>> So, if we do is I propose here, we have to take into account this
>> question too. Any jump that jumps in the middle of this instruction
>> sequence would have to insure correct liveliness of %al and ZF. However,
>> since we just limited the scope of their liveliness, there are no other
>> code paths which can jump in the middle of our instruction sequence and
>> insure correct ZF and %al liveliness.
>
> I wanted to point out that this, in particular, is utter nonsense. Consider 
> a sequence that looks something like this:
>
> if (foo ? bar : imv_cond(var)) {
> 	blah();
> }
>
> An entirely sane transformation of this (as far as gcc is concerned), is 
> something like:
>
> 	cmpl $0,foo
> 	je 1f
> 	cmpl $0,bar
> 	jmp 2f
> 1:
> #APP
> 	movb var,%al	/* This is your imv */
> #NO_APP
> 	testb %al,%al
> 2:
> 	je 3f
> 	call blah
> 3:
>
> Your code would take the movb-testb-je sequence and combine them, then we 
> jump into the middle of the new instruction when jumping at 2!
>

I am glad you come up with a counter argument. Let's look at what would
happen here with my modified code :

	cmpl $0,foo
	je 1f
	cmpl $0,bar
	jmp 2f
1:
#APP
	mov %esi, %esi /* nop 2 bytes */
#NO_APP
	mov %esi, %esi /* nop 2 bytes */
2:
	jmp 3f         /* 2 bytes short jump */
	call blah
3:

First of all, I do not "combine" the instructions.. that would be really
dangerous (and bug-prone, since any interrupt could iret to an invalid
instruction). No, all I do is to swap instructions for other
instructions of the same size (or smaller in the case of jne 6 bytes ->
nop1 + jmp 5 bytes).

I see the problem you show here : it's dangerous to change an
instruction generated by gcc because it can be re-used for other
purposes, as in your example.

Then, what I propose is the following : instead of modifying the
conditional branch instruction, I prefix my inline assembly with a 5
bytes jump. I can then have the exact same behavior as the original
conditional branch; I either jump at the address following the
conditional branch or at the target address. I would still have to check
for ZF and %al liveliness as I proposed earlier, because I would skip
the movb and test instructions.

> There are only two ways to deal with this - extensive analysis of the 
> entire flow of control, or telling the compiler exactly what is *actually* 
> going on.  The latter is the preferred way, obviously.
>

Yes, in an ideal world, gcc would help here.

Mathieu

> 	-hpa
>

-- 
Mathieu Desnoyers
Computer Engineering Ph.D. Student, Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal
OpenPGP key fingerprint: 8CD5 52C3 8E3C 4140 715F  BA06 3F25 A8FE 3BAE 9A68

  reply	other threads:[~2008-04-25 20:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 173+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2008-04-20 19:04 ` 2.6.25-git2: BUG: unable to handle kernel paging request at ffffffffffffffff Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-20 19:14   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-20 21:31   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-21  1:18     ` Herbert Xu
2008-04-21  2:08       ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-04-21  4:59         ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-04-21  5:47           ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-04-21 13:00             ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-21 16:06             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-21 16:24               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-21 15:49         ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-21 17:05           ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-04-21 17:30             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-21 17:43               ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-04-22  1:03           ` Herbert Xu
2008-04-22 13:36             ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-04-21 16:12     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-21 16:54       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-21 17:06         ` Jiri Slaby
2008-04-21 17:19           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-21 17:48           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-21 18:22             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-21 19:38             ` Jiri Slaby
2008-04-21 20:39         ` David Miller
2008-04-21 21:18           ` Jiri Slaby
2008-04-21 21:58             ` Jiri Slaby
2008-04-21 22:26               ` Jiri Slaby
2008-04-21 22:54                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-04-21 23:02                   ` Jiri Slaby
2008-04-21 23:11                     ` Zdenek Kabelac
2008-04-21 23:17                     ` Jiri Slaby
2008-04-22  0:54                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-22  1:14                         ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-22  1:30                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-22  9:49                           ` Jiri Slaby
2008-04-22  9:53                             ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-22 18:35                               ` Zdenek Kabelac
2008-04-22 18:48                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-23  8:50                                   ` Zdenek Kabelac
2008-04-23 15:53                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-23 16:58                                       ` Pekka Enberg
2008-04-23 17:28                                         ` Zdenek Kabelac
2008-04-23 17:40                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-23 18:52                                       ` Pekka Enberg
2008-04-23 19:05                                         ` Christoph Lameter
2008-04-23 19:19                                           ` Pekka J Enberg
2008-04-23 19:28                                             ` Christoph Lameter
2008-04-23 20:27                                             ` Zdenek Kabelac
2008-04-24 22:26                                       ` Jiri Slaby
2008-04-24 22:41                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-25  0:57                                           ` Jiri Slaby
2008-04-24 23:45                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-25  7:36                                               ` Jiri Slaby
2008-04-25 14:09                                                 ` Pavel Machek
2008-04-25 15:30                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-25 17:10                                           ` Jiri Slaby
2008-04-25  9:13                                             ` David Miller
2008-04-25 12:15                                               ` Zdenek Kabelac
2008-04-25 12:27                                                 ` Zdenek Kabelac
2008-04-25 15:12                                               ` [PATCH 1/1] x86: fix text_poke Jiri Slaby
2008-04-25 15:03                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-25 15:17                                                   ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-25 19:36                                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2008-04-26  9:59                                                       ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-26 11:16                                                         ` Jiri Slaby
2008-04-26 11:34                                                           ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-28 20:24                                                         ` VIRTUAL_BUG_ON() Christoph Lameter
2008-05-01 19:22                                                           ` [RFC 1/1] mm: add virt to phys debug Jiri Slaby
2008-05-01 20:18                                                             ` Christoph Lameter
2008-05-06 21:54                                                               ` Jiri Slaby
2008-05-07 17:30                                                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-05-13 14:38                                                               ` Jiri Slaby
2008-04-25 15:19                                                   ` [PATCH 1/1] x86: fix text_poke Ingo Molnar
2008-04-25 15:26                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-25 15:32                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-25 15:33                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-25 15:48                                                         ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-25 16:06                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-25 16:19                                                             ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-25 16:24                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-25 16:33                                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-25 18:13                                                                 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-05-05  2:36                                                                   ` Nick Piggin
2008-04-25 16:30                                                               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-04-25 16:42                                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-25 17:09                                                                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-04-25 18:37                                                                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-04-25 18:47                                                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-25 19:19                                                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-25 20:04                                                                         ` Mathieu Desnoyers [this message]
2008-04-25 20:09                                                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-25 20:18                                                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-25 20:37                                                                         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-04-25 20:41                                                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-25 20:51                                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-25 21:12                                                                               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-04-25 21:15                                                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-25 21:47                                                                                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-04-25 22:07                                                                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-25 22:30                                                                                       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-04-25 22:36                                                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-28 20:21                                                                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-28 20:55                                                                                             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-04-28 21:01                                                                                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-28 22:42                                                                                                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-04-28 20:43                                                                                           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-04-28 21:02                                                                                             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-05-04 15:03                                                                                               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-05-04 16:18                                                                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-25 22:38                                                                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-25 22:04                                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-25 23:00                                                                                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-04-25 23:13                                                                                     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-04-25 23:34                                                                                       ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-04-26  6:21                                                                                         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-04-26 11:56                                                                                           ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2008-04-26 23:38                                                                                             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-04-27  1:00                                                                                               ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2008-04-26  2:12                                                                                   ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2008-06-05 17:44                                                                                   ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2008-04-26  6:50                                                                                 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-04-28  0:49                                                                                   ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-04-25 21:02                                                                             ` David Miller
2008-04-25 21:11                                                                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-25 16:22                                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-25 16:37                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-25 16:43                                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-25 16:45                                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-25 16:51                                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-25 17:02                                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-25 17:13                                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-25 17:26                                                                         ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-25 17:29                                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-25 17:53                                                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-25 18:04                                                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-25 18:09                                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-25 18:19                                                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-25 18:56                                                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-25 18:13                                                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-25 16:52                                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-25 16:56                                                                 ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-25 15:50                                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-25 15:57                                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-25 18:53                                                             ` Pavel Machek
2008-04-25 16:11                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-25 15:54                                                         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-04-25 15:59                                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-25 16:11                                                             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-04-25 15:27                                                     ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-25 20:18                                                   ` David Miller
2008-04-25 15:23                                               ` Jiri Slaby
2008-04-25  1:35                                         ` 2.6.25-git2: BUG: unable to handle kernel paging request at ffffffffffffffff David Miller
2008-04-25  1:48                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-25  1:57                                             ` David Miller
2008-04-25  7:41                                               ` Jiri Slaby
2008-04-25  7:45                                                 ` David Miller
2008-04-25  8:02                                                   ` Jiri Slaby
2008-04-25 10:53                                                   ` Craig Schlenter
2008-04-25  7:42                                           ` Jiri Slaby
2008-04-25  7:49                                             ` David Miller
2008-04-25  7:56                                               ` Jiri Slaby
2008-04-25  7:58                                                 ` David Miller
2008-04-25  8:00                                                   ` Jiri Slaby
2008-04-25 15:47                                                     ` Randy Dunlap
2008-04-22 21:46                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-22 19:09                               ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-22  1:15                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-22  1:25                     ` [ProbableSpam]Re: " Paul E. McKenney
2008-04-21 21:19           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-21 21:54             ` David Miller
2008-04-21 13:17   ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-21 13:35     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-21 18:56       ` Ingo Molnar

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