From: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@polymtl.ca>
To: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Cc: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Jiri Slaby <jirislaby@gmail.com>,
David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
zdenek.kabelac@gmail.com, rjw@sisk.pl,
paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, herbert@gondor.apana.org.au,
penberg@cs.helsinki.fi, clameter@sgi.com,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, pageexec@freemail.hu,
Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/1] x86: fix text_poke
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:04:23 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080425200423.GA25950@Krystal> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <48122ECF.405@zytor.com>
* H. Peter Anvin (hpa@zytor.com) wrote:
> Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
>>>> b) there might be a jump into the middle of this instruction sequence?
>>>>
>>> If we change that, as discussed above, so the liveliness of ZF and of
>>> the %al register is still insured by leaving the mov and test
>>> instructions in place, we end up only modifying a single instruction and
>>> the problem fades away. We would end up changing a jne for a jmp.
>> So, if we do is I propose here, we have to take into account this
>> question too. Any jump that jumps in the middle of this instruction
>> sequence would have to insure correct liveliness of %al and ZF. However,
>> since we just limited the scope of their liveliness, there are no other
>> code paths which can jump in the middle of our instruction sequence and
>> insure correct ZF and %al liveliness.
>
> I wanted to point out that this, in particular, is utter nonsense. Consider
> a sequence that looks something like this:
>
> if (foo ? bar : imv_cond(var)) {
> blah();
> }
>
> An entirely sane transformation of this (as far as gcc is concerned), is
> something like:
>
> cmpl $0,foo
> je 1f
> cmpl $0,bar
> jmp 2f
> 1:
> #APP
> movb var,%al /* This is your imv */
> #NO_APP
> testb %al,%al
> 2:
> je 3f
> call blah
> 3:
>
> Your code would take the movb-testb-je sequence and combine them, then we
> jump into the middle of the new instruction when jumping at 2!
>
I am glad you come up with a counter argument. Let's look at what would
happen here with my modified code :
cmpl $0,foo
je 1f
cmpl $0,bar
jmp 2f
1:
#APP
mov %esi, %esi /* nop 2 bytes */
#NO_APP
mov %esi, %esi /* nop 2 bytes */
2:
jmp 3f /* 2 bytes short jump */
call blah
3:
First of all, I do not "combine" the instructions.. that would be really
dangerous (and bug-prone, since any interrupt could iret to an invalid
instruction). No, all I do is to swap instructions for other
instructions of the same size (or smaller in the case of jne 6 bytes ->
nop1 + jmp 5 bytes).
I see the problem you show here : it's dangerous to change an
instruction generated by gcc because it can be re-used for other
purposes, as in your example.
Then, what I propose is the following : instead of modifying the
conditional branch instruction, I prefix my inline assembly with a 5
bytes jump. I can then have the exact same behavior as the original
conditional branch; I either jump at the address following the
conditional branch or at the target address. I would still have to check
for ZF and %al liveliness as I proposed earlier, because I would skip
the movb and test instructions.
> There are only two ways to deal with this - extensive analysis of the
> entire flow of control, or telling the compiler exactly what is *actually*
> going on. The latter is the preferred way, obviously.
>
Yes, in an ideal world, gcc would help here.
Mathieu
> -hpa
>
--
Mathieu Desnoyers
Computer Engineering Ph.D. Student, Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal
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2008-04-20 21:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-21 1:18 ` Herbert Xu
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2008-04-21 13:00 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-21 16:06 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-21 16:24 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-21 15:49 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-21 17:05 ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-04-21 17:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-21 17:43 ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-04-22 1:03 ` Herbert Xu
2008-04-22 13:36 ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-04-21 16:12 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-21 16:54 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-21 17:06 ` Jiri Slaby
2008-04-21 17:19 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-21 17:48 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-21 18:22 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-21 19:38 ` Jiri Slaby
2008-04-21 20:39 ` David Miller
2008-04-21 21:18 ` Jiri Slaby
2008-04-21 21:58 ` Jiri Slaby
2008-04-21 22:26 ` Jiri Slaby
2008-04-21 22:54 ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-04-21 23:02 ` Jiri Slaby
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2008-04-21 23:17 ` Jiri Slaby
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2008-04-22 1:14 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-22 1:30 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
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2008-04-22 9:53 ` Ingo Molnar
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2008-04-23 17:40 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-23 18:52 ` Pekka Enberg
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2008-04-23 19:28 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-04-23 20:27 ` Zdenek Kabelac
2008-04-24 22:26 ` Jiri Slaby
2008-04-24 22:41 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-25 0:57 ` Jiri Slaby
2008-04-24 23:45 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-25 7:36 ` Jiri Slaby
2008-04-25 14:09 ` Pavel Machek
2008-04-25 15:30 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-25 17:10 ` Jiri Slaby
2008-04-25 9:13 ` David Miller
2008-04-25 12:15 ` Zdenek Kabelac
2008-04-25 12:27 ` Zdenek Kabelac
2008-04-25 15:12 ` [PATCH 1/1] x86: fix text_poke Jiri Slaby
2008-04-25 15:03 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-25 15:17 ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-25 19:36 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-04-26 9:59 ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-26 11:16 ` Jiri Slaby
2008-04-26 11:34 ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-28 20:24 ` VIRTUAL_BUG_ON() Christoph Lameter
2008-05-01 19:22 ` [RFC 1/1] mm: add virt to phys debug Jiri Slaby
2008-05-01 20:18 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-05-06 21:54 ` Jiri Slaby
2008-05-07 17:30 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-05-13 14:38 ` Jiri Slaby
2008-04-25 15:19 ` [PATCH 1/1] x86: fix text_poke Ingo Molnar
2008-04-25 15:26 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-25 15:32 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-25 15:33 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-25 15:48 ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-25 16:06 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-25 16:19 ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-25 16:24 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-25 16:33 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-25 18:13 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-05-05 2:36 ` Nick Piggin
2008-04-25 16:30 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-04-25 16:42 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-25 17:09 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-04-25 18:37 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-04-25 18:47 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-25 19:19 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-25 20:04 ` Mathieu Desnoyers [this message]
2008-04-25 20:09 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-25 20:18 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-25 20:37 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-04-25 20:41 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-25 20:51 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-25 21:12 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-04-25 21:15 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-25 21:47 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-04-25 22:07 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-25 22:30 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-04-25 22:36 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-28 20:21 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-28 20:55 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-04-28 21:01 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-28 22:42 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-04-28 20:43 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-04-28 21:02 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-05-04 15:03 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-05-04 16:18 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-25 22:38 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-25 22:04 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-25 23:00 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
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2008-04-26 6:50 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-04-28 0:49 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-04-25 21:02 ` David Miller
2008-04-25 21:11 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-25 16:22 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-25 16:37 ` Linus Torvalds
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2008-04-25 18:19 ` Ingo Molnar
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2008-04-25 16:52 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-25 16:56 ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-25 15:50 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-25 15:57 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-25 18:53 ` Pavel Machek
2008-04-25 16:11 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-25 15:54 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-04-25 15:59 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-25 16:11 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-04-25 15:27 ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-25 20:18 ` David Miller
2008-04-25 15:23 ` Jiri Slaby
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2008-04-22 1:15 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
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