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* Re: Error testing ext3 on brd ramdisk
       [not found]                 ` <20090317094019.GA10360@smart.research.nokia.com>
@ 2009-03-18 12:11                   ` Nick Piggin
  2009-03-18 13:42                     ` Jan Kara
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread
From: Nick Piggin @ 2009-03-18 12:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Denis Karpov
  Cc: ext Jorge Boncompte [DTI2], Hunter Adrian (Nokia-D/Helsinki),
	LKML, Jan Kara, linux-ext4

On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 11:40:19AM +0200, Denis Karpov wrote:
> Hello, 
> 
> first off, sorry if you getting this email twice.

No problem, I'm not exactly able to reproduce it myself, but Jan Kara
has just fixed some issues which could explain it: they happen under
memory pressure so I may not have triggered it if I didn't put it
under pressure.

Jan's fixes are here:

http://marc.info/?l=linux-ext4&m=123731584711382&w=2

It would be interesting to try them, and if they don't work maybe
he's also interested so I cc'ed him.

 
> I also tried to do ext3/ext4 fs smoketesting and used Adraian's
> script.  I am consistently getting the same results - filesystem get's
> corrupted. 
> I tested on quad Xeon, with patches posted in this thread.
> 
> 1. tests with brd:
> - ext3fs on brd
>     corruption (see attached ext3fs.brd.corruption.txt)
> - ext4fs on brd
>     corruption (see attached ext4fs.brd.corruption.txt)
> 
> In both cases I saw some complains from JBD/JBD2:
>  JBD: Detected IO errors while flushing file data on
> 
> 2. I enabled JBD debugging, re-run the tests. Console was 
> flooded with messages and in the end I got a soft lockup.
> I cannot consistently reproduce this (see attached 
> brd.ext3fs.softlock.txt).
> 
> Just to be sure I re-run the tests on real block device (usb stick)
> 
> 3. tests with real block device (usb stick)
> - ext3fs
>     no fs currption (overnight run)
> - ext4fs 
>     no fs currption (overnight run)

It's possible the real block device is not fast enough to trigger
it, or different timings don't trigger it (brd requests complete
immediately wheras real devices tend to complete afterwards,
from (soft)interrupt context). 

Or it could be that brd is consuming some more memory to push
the system into reclaim and exposing those bugs Jan has fixed...


> Any ideas what else can be done here? I'd like to find out if this is
> filesystem or brd related fault.

Yes, thanks for persisting. If you can test the patches and see
if they help? If not, does ext2 show corruption? How about ext3
on loop device (with backing file from tmpfs/ramfs for speed).

Thanks,
Nick

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* Re: Error testing ext3 on brd ramdisk
  2009-03-18 12:11                   ` Error testing ext3 on brd ramdisk Nick Piggin
@ 2009-03-18 13:42                     ` Jan Kara
  2009-03-20 12:24                       ` Denis Karpov
  2009-03-20 13:35                       ` Denis Karpov
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 5+ messages in thread
From: Jan Kara @ 2009-03-18 13:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Nick Piggin
  Cc: Denis Karpov, ext Jorge Boncompte [DTI2],
	Hunter Adrian (Nokia-D/Helsinki), LKML, linux-ext4

> On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 11:40:19AM +0200, Denis Karpov wrote:
> > Hello, 
> > 
> > first off, sorry if you getting this email twice.
> 
> No problem, I'm not exactly able to reproduce it myself, but Jan Kara
> has just fixed some issues which could explain it: they happen under
> memory pressure so I may not have triggered it if I didn't put it
> under pressure.
> 
> Jan's fixes are here:
> 
> http://marc.info/?l=linux-ext4&m=123731584711382&w=2
> 
> It would be interesting to try them, and if they don't work maybe
> he's also interested so I cc'ed him.
> 
>  
> > I also tried to do ext3/ext4 fs smoketesting and used Adraian's
> > script.  I am consistently getting the same results - filesystem get's
> > corrupted. 
> > I tested on quad Xeon, with patches posted in this thread.
> > 
> > 1. tests with brd:
> > - ext3fs on brd
> >     corruption (see attached ext3fs.brd.corruption.txt)
> > - ext4fs on brd
> >     corruption (see attached ext4fs.brd.corruption.txt)
> > 
> > In both cases I saw some complains from JBD/JBD2:
> >  JBD: Detected IO errors while flushing file data on
  Yes, my patches fix exactly this problem. So please try running with
them. I'm not sure about that HTREE corruption you see during fsck. That
seems to be a separate issue.

> > 2. I enabled JBD debugging, re-run the tests. Console was 
> > flooded with messages and in the end I got a soft lockup.
> > I cannot consistently reproduce this (see attached 
> > brd.ext3fs.softlock.txt).
  Yes, this usually produces far too many messages. The soft lockup was
probably caused by the machine being too busy logging all the messages
(log files are synced which adds much more to the load of the
filesystem). I'd probably leave that aside for now and concentrate on
the corruption problem.

								Honza
-- 
Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
SuSE CR Labs

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* Re: Error testing ext3 on brd ramdisk
  2009-03-18 13:42                     ` Jan Kara
@ 2009-03-20 12:24                       ` Denis Karpov
  2009-03-20 12:49                         ` Denis Karpov
  2009-03-20 13:35                       ` Denis Karpov
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread
From: Denis Karpov @ 2009-03-20 12:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: ext Jan Kara
  Cc: Nick Piggin, Denis Karpov, ext Jorge Boncompte [DTI2],
	Hunter Adrian (Nokia-D/Helsinki), LKML,
	linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org

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> > Jan's fixes are here:
> > http://marc.info/?l=linux-ext4&m=123731584711382&w=2
> > It would be interesting to try them, and if they don't work maybe
> > he's also interested so I cc'ed him.

Hi, 

thank you reppl. I re-run the tests with this patch.

> > > 
> > > In both cases I saw some complains from JBD/JBD2:
> > >  JBD: Detected IO errors while flushing file data on
>   Yes, my patches fix exactly this problem. So please try running with
> them. I'm not sure about that HTREE corruption you see during fsck. That
> seems to be a separate issue.
Unfortunately it looks like the problem is not fixed - JBD still complains
and in the end HTREE is getting damaged, in both ext3 and ext4 tests (see
attached logs).

Denis

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Cycle 34                                                                        
Fri Mar 20 08:06:06 EDT 2009                                                    
Mounting                                                                        
[ 1128.228621] EXT3 FS on ram0, internal journal                                
[ 1128.232046] kjournald starting.  Commit interval 5 seconds                   
[ 1128.238557] EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode.              
Removing old fsstress data                                                      
Starting fsstress                                                               
Sleeping 30 seconds                                                             
seed = 1238324876                                                               
[ 1139.101289] JBD: Detected IO errors while flushing file data on ram0         
[ 1139.116050] JBD: Detected IO errors while flushing file data on ram0         
[ 1139.124125] JBD: Detected IO errors while flushing file data on ram0         
[ 1140.100787] JBD: Detected IO errors while flushing file data on ram0         
[ 1140.375989] JBD: Detected IO errors while flushing file data on ram0         
[ 1141.313458] JBD: Detected IO errors while flushing file data on ram0         
[ 1142.387028] JBD: Detected IO errors while flushing file data on ram0         
[ 1142.668047] JBD: Detected IO errors while flushing file data on ram0         [ 1143.035936] JBD: Detected IO errors while flushing file data on ram0         
[ 1143.160422] JBD: Detected IO errors while flushing file data on ram0         
Stopping fsstress                                                               
 3974 ttyS0    00:00:00 fsstress_ext3                                           
 3977 ttyS0    00:00:20 fsstress_ext3                                           
 3978 ttyS0    00:00:20 fsstress_ext3                                           
 3979 ttyS0    00:00:20 fsstress_ext3                                           
./brd_test_ext3.sh: line 37:  3974 Terminated              `pwd`/fsstress_ext3 -
d $TESTDIR/work -p 3 -l 0 -n 100000000                                          
Unmounting                                                                      
Checking                                                                        
/dev/ram0: HTREE directory inode 42 has an invalid root node.                   HTREE INDEX CLEARED.                                                            
/dev/ram0: Entry 'c302b' in /work/p1/da (42) has an incorrect filetype (was 3, s
hould be 1).                                                                    
                                                                                
                                                                                
/dev/ram0: UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY; RUN fsck MANUALLY.                         
        (i.e., without -a or -p options)                                        

3# fsck /dev/ram0                                      
fsck 1.41.3 (12-Oct-2008)                                                       
e2fsck 1.41.3 (12-Oct-2008)                                                     
/dev/ram0 contains a file system with errors, check forced.                     
Pass 1: Checking inodes, blocks, and sizes                                      
Pass 2: Checking directory structure                                            
Entry 'c302b' in /work/p1/da (42) has an incorrect filetype (was 3, should be 1)
.                                                                               
Fix<y>? yes                                                                     
                                                                                
Entry 'd3699' in /work/p1/da (42) is a link to directory /work/p1/da/d18a/d3874/
d278f/d2401/d3e6a/d4380/d33e8/d2a30/d3ad4/d45f3 (968).                          
Clear<y>? yes                                                                   
                                                                                
Entry 'd3ad4' in /work/p1/da/d18a/d3874/d278f/d2401/d3e6a/d4380/d33e8/d2a30 (192
) is a link to directory /work/p1/da/d207a (811).                               Clear<y>? yes                                                                   
                                                                                
Entry 'd18a' in /work/p1/da (42) is a link to directory /work/p1/da/d18a (491). 
Clear<y>? yes                                                                   
                                                                                
Pass 3: Checking directory connectivity                                         
'..' in /work/p1/da/d207a (811) is /work/p1/da/d18a/d3874/d278f/d2401/d3e6a/d438
0/d33e8/d2a30 (192), should be /work/p1/da (42).                                
Fix<y>? yes                                                                     
                                                                                
Pass 4: Checking reference counts                                               
Inode 53 ref count is 1, should be 2.  Fix<y>? yes                                                                                                              
Inode 67 ref count is 1, should be 2.  Fix<y>? yes                              
                                                                                
Inode 86 ref count is 3, should be 4.  Fix<y>? yes                              
                                                                                
...

Inode 945 ref count is 1, should be 2.  Fix<y>? yes                             
                                                                                
Inode 993 ref count is 7, should be 8.  Fix<y>? yes                             
                                                                                
Pass 5: Checking group summary information                                      
                                                                                
/dev/ram0: ***** FILE SYSTEM WAS MODIFIED *****                                 /dev/ram0: 1024/1024 files (18.4% non-contiguous), 4094/4096 blocks             


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Cycle 9                                                                         
Fri Mar 20 08:18:28 EDT 2009                                                    
Mounting                                                                        
[ 1870.516310] EXT4-fs: barriers enabled                                        
[ 1870.520359] kjournald2 starting: pid 5729, dev ram1:8, commit interval 5 seco
nds                                                                             
Removing old fss[ 1870.520396] EXT4 FS on ram1, internal journal on ram1:8      
tress data                                                                      
[ 1870.520399] EXT4-fs: delayed allocation enabled                              
[ 1870.520401] EXT4-fs: file extents enabled                                    
[ 1870.520553] EXT4-fs: mballoc enabled                                         
[ 1870.520556] EXT4-fs: mounted filesystem ram1 with ordered data mode          
[ 1870.570047] JBD: barrier-based sync failed on ram1:8 - disabling barriers    
Starting fsstress                                                               
Sleeping 30 seconds                                                             
seed = 1237467072                                                               
Stopping fsstress                                                                5732 ttyS0    00:00:00 fsstress_ext4                                           
 5735 ttyS0    00:00:28 fsstress_ext4                                           
 5736 ttyS0    00:00:28 fsstress_ext4                                           
 5737 ttyS0    00:00:28 fsstress_ext4                                           
./brd_test_ext4.sh: line 36:  5732 Terminated              `pwd`/fsstress_ext4 -
d $TESTDIR/work -p 3 -l 0 -n 100000000                                          
Unmounting                                                                      
[ 1901.751383] EXT4-fs: mballoc: 7905 blocks 4022 reqs (13 success)             
[ 1901.757443] EXT4-fs: mballoc: 8495 extents scanned, 341 goal hits, 6 2^N hits
, 4 breaks, 38 lost                                                             
[ 1901.766253] EXT4-fs: mballoc: 1 generated and it took 2140                   
[ 1901.771755] EXT4-fs: mballoc: 18857 preallocated, 11619 discarded            
Checking                                                                        
/dev/ram1: HTREE directory inode 20 has an invalid root node.                   
HTREE INDEX CLEARED.                                                            
/dev/ram1: HTREE directory inode 40 has an invalid root node.                   
HTREE INDEX CLEARED.                                                            
/dev/ram1: Entry 'f15e2' in /work/p0/d5/db/d934 (20) has an incorrect filetype (
was 1, should be 3).                                                            
                                                                                
                                                                                
/dev/ram1: UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY; RUN fsck MANUALLY.                         
        (i.e., without -a or -p options)                                        
# fsck /dev/ram1                                      
fsck 1.41.3 (12-Oct-2008)                                                       
e2fsck 1.41.3 (12-Oct-2008)                                                     
/dev/ram1 contains a file system with errors, check forced.                     
Pass 1: Checking inodes, blocks, and sizes                                      
Pass 2: Checking directory structure                                            
Entry 'f15e2' in /work/p0/d5/db/d934 (20) has an incorrect filetype (was 1, shou
ld be 3).                                                                       
Fix<y>? yes                                                                     
                                                                                
Entry 'd51' in /work/p0/d5/db/d934 (20) is a link to directory /work/p0/d5/db/d9
34/d51 (110).                                                                   Clear<y>? yes                                                                   
                                                                                
Entry 'd1cba' in /work/p0/d5/db/d934 (20) is a link to directory /work/p0/d5/db/
d934/d1cba (918).                                                               
Clear<y>? yes                                                                   
                                                                                
Entry 'd17f8' in /work/p0/d5/db/d203c (40) is a link to directory /work/p0/d5/db
/d203c/d17f8 (392).                                                             
Clear<y>? yes                                                                   
                                                                                
Pass 3: Checking directory connectivity                                         
Pass 4: Checking reference counts                                               
Inode 36 ref count is 2, should be 3.  Fix<y>? yes                              
                                                                                
Inode 37 ref count is 2, should be 3.  Fix<y>? yes                              
                                                                                
Inode 55 ref count is 2, should be 3.  Fix<y>? yes                              
                                                                                
.....
                                                                                
Inode 655 ref count is 4, should be 5.  Fix<y>? yes                             
                                                                                Inode 1024 ref count is 4, should be 5.  Fix<y>? yes                            
                                                                                
Pass 5: Checking group summary information                                      
                                                                                
/dev/ram1: ***** FILE SYSTEM WAS MODIFIED *****                                 
/dev/ram1: 1024/1024 files (24.2% non-contiguous), 4096/4096 blocks             

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* Re: Error testing ext3 on brd ramdisk
  2009-03-20 12:24                       ` Denis Karpov
@ 2009-03-20 12:49                         ` Denis Karpov
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread
From: Denis Karpov @ 2009-03-20 12:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: ext Jan Kara, Nick Piggin, Denis Karpov,
	ext Jorge Boncompte [DTI2], "Hunter Adrian (Nokia-D/Helsink

On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 02:24:05PM +0200, Denis Karpov wrote:
> Unfortunately it looks like the problem is not fixed - JBD still complains
> and in the end HTREE is getting damaged, in both ext3 and ext4 tests (see
> attached logs).
> 
> Denis

Please, disregard the previos message, I tested with a wrong patchset.
Sorry for the hussle.

Denis

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* Re: Error testing ext3 on brd ramdisk
  2009-03-18 13:42                     ` Jan Kara
  2009-03-20 12:24                       ` Denis Karpov
@ 2009-03-20 13:35                       ` Denis Karpov
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread
From: Denis Karpov @ 2009-03-20 13:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: ext Jan Kara
  Cc: Nick Piggin, ext Jorge Boncompte [DTI2],
	Hunter Adrian (Nokia-D/Helsinki), LKML,
	linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org

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On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 02:42:02PM +0100, ext Jan Kara wrote:
> > On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 11:40:19AM +0200, Denis Karpov wrote:
> > Jan's fixes are here:
> > http://marc.info/?l=linux-ext4&m=123731584711382&w=2
> > It would be interesting to try them, and if they don't work maybe
> > he's also interested so I cc'ed him.

Hello, 

I've re-run the tests (with Jan's patches and also Nick's "fs: new inode
i_state corruption fix" patch).

> > > In both cases I saw some complains from JBD/JBD2:
> > >  JBD: Detected IO errors while flushing file data on
>   Yes, my patches fix exactly this problem. So please try running with
> them. I'm not sure about that HTREE corruption you see during fsck. That
> seems to be a separate issue.

The issue with JBD seems to be gone. But problem with HTREE being corrupted
still remains (see attached logs).

Denis

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-------------------------------------------------------------                   
Cycle 26                                                                        
Fri Mar 20 09:23:50 EDT 2009                                                    
Mounting                                                                        
[  907.443733] EXT3 FS on ram0, internal journal                                
[  907.448199] EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode.              
[  907.448529] kjournald starting.  Commit interval 5 seconds                   
Removing old fsstress data                                                      
Starting fsstress                                                               
Sleeping 30 seconds                                                             
seed = 1237468251                                                               
Stopping fsstress                                                               
 5656 ttyS0    00:00:00 fsstress_ext3                                           
 5659 ttyS0    00:00:26 fsstress_ext3                                           
 5660 ttyS0    00:00:25 fsstress_ext3                                           
 5661 ttyS0    00:00:25 fsstress_ext3                                           
./brd_test_ext3.sh: line 37:  5656 Terminated              `pwd`/fsstress_ext3 -
d $TESTDIR/work -p 3 -l 0 -n 100000000                                          Unmounting                                                                      
Checking                                                                        
/dev/ram0: HTREE directory inode 82 has an invalid root node.                   
HTREE INDEX CLEARED.                                                            
/dev/ram0: Entry 'c17e8' in /work/p1/d2/d99 (82) has an incorrect filetype (was 
3, should be 1).                                                                
                                                                                
                                                                                
/dev/ram0: UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY; RUN fsck MANUALLY.                         
        (i.e., without -a or -p options)                                        

# fsck.ext3 /dev/ram0                                 
e2fsck 1.41.3 (12-Oct-2008)                                                     
/dev/ram0 contains a file system with errors, check forced.                     
Pass 1: Checking inodes, blocks, and sizes                                      
Pass 2: Checking directory structure                                            
Entry 'c17e8' in /work/p1/d2/d99 (82) has an incorrect filetype (was 3, should b
e 1).                                                                           
Fix<y>? yes                                                                     
                                                                                
Entry 'fdab' in /work/p1/d2/d99 (82) has an incorrect filetype (was 1, should be
 7).                                                                            
Fix<y>? yes                                                                     
                                                                                
Entry 'c17fa' in /work/p1/d2/d99 (82) has an incorrect filetype (was 3, should be 1).                                                                           
Fix<y>? yes                                                                     
                                                                                
Entry 'da0' in /work/p1/d2/d99 (82) is a link to directory /work/p1/d2/d99/da0 (
238).                                                                           
Clear<y>? yes                                                                   
                                                                                
Pass 3: Checking directory connectivity                                         
Pass 4: Checking reference counts                                               
Inode 83 ref count is 9, should be 10.  Fix<y>? yes                             
                                                                                
Inode 94 ref count is 3, should be 4.  Fix<y>? yes                                                                                                              
Inode 99 ref count is 9, should be 10.  Fix<y>? yes                             
                                                                                ...

Inode 1018 ref count is 2, should be 3.  Fix<y>? yes                            
                                                                                
Inode 1024 ref count is 1, should be 2.  Fix<y>? yes                            
                                                                                
Pass 5: Checking group summary information                                      
                                                                                
/dev/ram0: ***** FILE SYSTEM WAS MODIFIED *****                                 
/dev/ram0: 1024/1024 files (12.0% non-contiguous), 4096/4096 blocks             

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Cycle 5
Fri Mar 20 09:17:50 EDT 2009
Mounting
Removing old fsstress data
Starting fsstress
Sleeping 30 seconds
seed = 1237604365
Stopping fsstress
 5370 pts/0    00:00:00 fsstress_ext4
 5373 pts/0    00:00:19 fsstress_ext4
 5374 pts/0    00:00:20 fsstress_ext4
 5375 pts/0    00:00:19 fsstress_ext4
./brd_test_ext4.sh: line 36:  5370 Terminated              `pwd`/fsstress_ext4 -d $TESTDIR/work -p 3 -l 0 -n 100000000
Unmounting
Checking
/dev/ram1: HTREE directory inode 165 has an invalid root node.
HTREE INDEX CLEARED.
/dev/ram1: HTREE directory inode 272 has an invalid root node.
HTREE INDEX CLEARED.
/dev/ram1: Entry 'c363' in /work/p2/d2/de/d5f/d80/d616 (272) has an incorrect filetype (was 3, should be 1).


/dev/ram1: UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY; RUN fsck MANUALLY.
        (i.e., without -a or -p options)
# fsck.ext4 /dev/ram1
e2fsck 1.41.3 (12-Oct-2008)
/dev/ram1 contains a file system with errors, check forced.
Pass 1: Checking inodes, blocks, and sizes
Pass 2: Checking directory structure
Entry 'c363' in /work/p2/d2/de/d5f/d80/d616 (272) has an incorrect filetype (was 3, should be 1).
Fix<y>? yes

Entry 'c10b5' in /work/p2/d2/de/d37 (165) has an incorrect filetype (was 3, should be 1).
Fix<y>? yes

Entry 'f164' in /work/p2/d2/de/d37 (165) has an incorrect filetype (was 1, should be 3).
Fix<y>? yes

Entry 'f104e' in /work/p2/d2/de/d37 (165) has an incorrect filetype (was 1, should be 2).
Fix<y>? yes

Entry 'deaa' in /work/p2/d2/de/d5f/d80/d616 (272) is a link to directory /work/p2/d2/de/d5f/d80/d616/deaa (819).
Clear<y>? yes

Entry 'd155a' in /work/p2/d2/de/d37 (165) is a link to directory /work/p2/d2/de/d37/d155a (434).
Clear<y>? yes

Pass 3: Checking directory connectivity
Pass 4: Checking reference counts
Inode 25 ref count is 6, should be 7.  Fix<y>? yes

Inode 48 ref count is 1, should be 2.  Fix<y>? yes

...

Inode 1003 ref count is 3, should be 4.  Fix<y>? yes

Inode 1004 ref count is 1, should be 2.  Fix<y>? yes

Pass 5: Checking group summary information

/dev/ram1: ***** FILE SYSTEM WAS MODIFIED *****
/dev/ram1: 1024/1024 files (20.5% non-contiguous), 4096/4096 blocks



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