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From: Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>,
	Linux Kernel Developers List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Ext4 Developers List <linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org>,
	jack@suse.cz
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/3] block_write_full_page: Use synchronous writes for WBC_SYNC_ALL writebacks
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 09:08:36 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090407070835.GM5178@kernel.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090406235052.1ea47513.akpm@linux-foundation.org>

On Mon, Apr 06 2009, Andrew Morton wrote:
> On Mon, 6 Apr 2009 23:21:41 -0700 Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org> wrote:
> 
> > I mean, let's graph it:
> > 
> > WRITE_SYNC -> WRITE_SYNC_PLUG -> BIO_RW_SYNCIO -> bio_sync() -> REQ_RW_SYNC -> rw_is_sync() -> does something mysterious in get_request()
> >                                                                             -> rq_is_sync() -> does something mysterious in IO schedulers
> >                               -> BIO_RW_NOIDLE -> bio_noidle() -> REQ_NOIDLE -> rq_noidle() -> does something mysterious in cfq-iosched only
> >            -> BIO_RW_UNPLUG   -> bio_unplug() -> REQ_UNPLUG -> OK, the cognoscenti know what this is supposed to do, but it is unused!
> 
> whoop, I found a use of bio_unplug() in __make_request().
> 
> So it appears that the intent of your patch is to cause an unplug after
> submission of each WB_SYNC_ALL block?
> 
> But what about all the other stuff which WRITE_SYNC might or might not
> do?  What does WRITE_SYNC _actually_ do, and what are the actual
> effects of this change??
> 
> And what effect will this large stream of unplugs have upon merging?

It looks like a good candidate for WRITE_SYNC_PLUG instead, since it
does more than one buffer submission before waiting. It likely wont mean
a whole lot since we'll usually only have a single buffer on that page,
but for < PAGE_CACHE_SIZE block sizes it could easily make a big
difference (4 ios instead of 1!).

So on the write side, basically we have:

WRITE                   Normal async write.
WRITE_SYNC_PLUG         Sync write, someone will wait on this so don't
                        treat it as background activity. This is a hint
                        to the io schedulers. This one does NOT unplug
                        the queue, either the caller should do it after
                        submission, or he should make sure that the
                        wait_on_* callbacks do it for him.
WRITE_SYNC              Like WRITE_SYNC_PLUG, but causes immediate
                        unplug of the queue after submission. Most
                        uses of this should likely use WRITE_SYNC_PLUG,
                        at least in the normal IO path.
WRITE_ODIRECT           Like WRITE_SYNC, but also passes a hint to the
                        IO scheduler that we should expect more IO.
                        This is similar to how a read is treated in the
                        scheduler, it'll enable anticipation/idling.

Ditto for the SWRITE* variants, which are special hacks for
ll_rw_block() only.

I have killed REQ_UNPLUG, it doesn't make sense to pass the further down
than to __make_request(), so the bio flag is enough.

-- 
Jens Axboe


  reply	other threads:[~2009-04-07  7:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-03-27 20:24 [PATCH 0/3] Ext3 latency improvement patches Theodore Ts'o
2009-03-27 20:24 ` [PATCH 1/3] block_write_full_page: Use synchronous writes for WBC_SYNC_ALL writebacks Theodore Ts'o
2009-03-27 20:24   ` [PATCH 2/3] ext3: Use WRITE_SYNC for commits which are caused by fsync() Theodore Ts'o
2009-03-27 20:24     ` [PATCH 3/3] ext3: Avoid starting a transaction in writepage when not necessary Theodore Ts'o
2009-03-27 22:23       ` Jan Kara
2009-03-27 23:03         ` Theodore Tso
2009-03-30 13:22           ` Jan Kara
2009-03-27 22:20     ` [PATCH 2/3] ext3: Use WRITE_SYNC for commits which are caused by fsync() Jan Kara
2009-03-27 20:55   ` [PATCH 1/3] block_write_full_page: Use synchronous writes for WBC_SYNC_ALL writebacks Jan Kara
2009-04-07  6:21   ` Andrew Morton
2009-04-07  6:50     ` Andrew Morton
2009-04-07  7:08       ` Jens Axboe [this message]
2009-04-07  7:17         ` Jens Axboe
2009-04-07  8:16           ` Jens Axboe
2009-04-07  7:23         ` Andrew Morton
2009-04-07  7:57           ` Jens Axboe
2009-04-07 19:09             ` Theodore Tso
2009-04-07 19:32               ` Jens Axboe
2009-04-07 21:44                 ` Theodore Tso
2009-04-07 22:19                   ` [PATCH] block_write_full_page: switch synchronous writes to use WRITE_SYNC_PLUG Theodore Tso
2009-04-07 23:09                     ` Andrew Morton
2009-04-07 23:46                       ` Theodore Tso
2009-04-08  8:08                       ` Jens Axboe
2009-04-08 22:34                         ` Andrew Morton
2009-04-09 17:59                           ` Jens Axboe
2009-04-08  6:00                     ` Jens Axboe
2009-04-08 15:26                       ` Theodore Tso
2009-04-08  5:58                   ` [PATCH 1/3] block_write_full_page: Use synchronous writes for WBC_SYNC_ALL writebacks Jens Axboe
2009-04-08 15:25                     ` Theodore Tso
2009-04-07 14:19           ` Theodore Tso
2009-03-27 20:50 ` [PATCH 0/3] Ext3 latency improvement patches Chris Mason
2009-03-27 21:03   ` Chris Mason
2009-03-27 21:19     ` Jan Kara
2009-03-27 21:30     ` Theodore Tso
2009-03-27 21:54       ` Jan Kara
2009-03-27 23:09         ` Theodore Tso
2009-03-28  0:14           ` Jeff Garzik
2009-03-28  0:24             ` David Rees
2009-03-30 14:16               ` Ric Wheeler
2009-03-30 11:23       ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
     [not found]       ` <20090330112330.GA11357@skywalker>
2009-03-30 11:44         ` Chris Mason

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