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From: Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>
To: Andreas Dilger <adilger@sun.com>
Cc: Ric Wheeler <rwheeler@redhat.com>,
	Christian Fischer <Christian.Fischer@easterngraphics.com>,
	linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Enable asynchronous commits by default patch revoked?
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 20:15:54 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090825001554.GN17684@mit.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090824234336.GU5931@webber.adilger.int>

On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 05:43:36PM -0600, Andreas Dilger wrote:
> Without transaction checksums waiting on all of the blocks together
> is NOT safe.  If the commit record is on disk, but the rest of the
> transaction's blocks are not then during replay it may cause garbage
> to be written from the journal into the filesystem metadata.

Yes, I *said* that we can only wait on all of the blocks together with
the commit record when doing journal checksums.  Sorry if I didn't
make that clear enough.

That's the one optimization we using journal checksums buys us.
Unfortunately it does not allow us to omit the barrier
operation.... and have real-world testing experience that without the
barrier, a power drop can cause significant filesystem corruption and
potential data loss.

Try using Chris Mason's torture-test workload with async-checksums
without this patch; you will get data corruption if you try dropping
power while his torture-test is running.  I know you really don't like
the barrier, but I'm afraid it's not safe to run without it, even with
journal checksums.

						- Ted

  reply	other threads:[~2009-08-25  0:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <200908241033.10527.Christian.Fischer@easterngraphics.com>
2009-08-24 13:34 ` Enable asynchronous commits by default patch revoked? Theodore Tso
2009-08-24 18:31   ` Andreas Dilger
2009-08-24 18:37     ` Ric Wheeler
2009-08-24 20:10     ` Theodore Tso
2009-08-24 20:28       ` Ric Wheeler
2009-08-24 22:07         ` Theodore Tso
2009-08-24 22:12           ` Ric Wheeler
2009-08-24 23:28             ` Theodore Tso
2009-08-24 23:43               ` Andreas Dilger
2009-08-25  0:15                 ` Theodore Tso [this message]
2009-08-25 17:52                   ` Andreas Dilger
2009-08-25 18:07                     ` Ric Wheeler
2009-08-25 21:11                       ` Theodore Tso
2009-08-26  9:50                         ` Andreas Dilger
2009-08-26 13:14                           ` Theodore Tso
2009-08-26 22:00                             ` Andreas Dilger
2009-08-26 22:55                               ` Theodore Tso
2009-08-25 18:21                     ` Ric Wheeler
2009-08-26 16:02                   ` Jan Kara
2009-08-24 22:46           ` Andreas Dilger
2009-08-24 23:52             ` Theodore Tso
2009-09-02 14:48           ` Tom Vier
2009-09-02 15:03             ` Theodore Tso
2009-08-24 21:28       ` Andreas Dilger
2009-08-25  6:16   ` Christian Fischer

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