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From: Valerie Aurora <vaurora@redhat.com>
To: 7eggert@gmx.de, David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
Cc: Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>,
	jack@suse.cz, agruen@suse.de, viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk,
	jblunck@suse.de, hch@infradead.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, tytso@mit.edu,
	linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 14/38] fallthru: ext2 fallthru support
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 13:21:09 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100824172108.GA28718@shell> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1OlrzM-0001lZ-0z@be1.7eggert.dyndns.org>

On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 01:24:07AM +0200, Bodo Eggert wrote:
> Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu> wrote:
> > On Tue, 17 Aug 2010, Valerie Aurora wrote:
> 
> >> >  - hard links to make sure a separate inode is not necessary for each
> >> >    whiteout/fallthrough entry
> >> 
> >> The problem with hard links is that you run into hard link limits.  I
> >> don't think we can do hard links for whiteouts and fallthrus.  Each
> >> whiteout or fallthru will cost an inode if we implement them as
> >> extended attributes.  This cost has to be balanced against the cost of
> >> implementing them as dentries, which is mainly code complexity in
> >> individual file systems.
> 
> Not knowing the details, I'd suggest to implement a generic function to
> create an attributed inode and let the fs override it to create an
> unlinked-file-dentry instead.
> 
> Benefit: All fs supporting extended attributes will be able to support
> whiteout. If the fs has other means of supporting whiteout, they may fake
> the attribute.

Yeah, I think that's the way to go.

> Possible problems:
> - Having two ways of reporting a whiteout? Or can it be reported using a
>   (static) fake inode?

They are going to look the same at the VFS level and higher.

> - How do you un-whiteout while (not) having an overlaying fs?

The current version of whiteout support always hides DT_WHT dentries
from userspace.  Perhaps a start is to only hide DT_WHT entries when
the file system is union mounted.  Applications usually ignore all
dentries with d_ino == 0 so it might not cause problems.

Right now, you have to remove whiteouts offline using fsck.

> > get_unlinked_inode() is a great idea.  But I feel that individual
> > inodes for each fallthrough is excessive.  It'll make the first
> > readdir() really really expensive and wastes a lot of disk and memory
> > for no good reason.
> > 
> > Not sure how to fix the hard link limits problem though...
> 
> Do a hardlink if you can create a hard link, otherwise use a fresh inode
> and use that for the next hardlink(s).

Bleah!  Then you have a code path that is only tested when you hit
LINK_MAX.  Sounds like a recipe for bugs for me.

-VAL

  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-08-24 17:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2010-08-18 23:24             ` [PATCH 14/38] fallthru: ext2 fallthru support Bodo Eggert
2010-08-19  2:03               ` J. R. Okajima
2010-08-24 17:21               ` Valerie Aurora [this message]
2010-08-26  9:53                 ` Bodo Eggert
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2010-08-06 22:35 ` Valerie Aurora
2010-08-07  0:28   ` Andreas Dilger
2010-08-08 16:40     ` Valerie Aurora
     [not found] <1277492728-11446-1-git-send-email-vaurora@redhat.com>
2010-06-25 19:05 ` Valerie Aurora
     [not found] <1276627208-17242-1-git-send-email-vaurora@redhat.com>
2010-06-15 18:39 ` Valerie Aurora
2010-07-13  4:30   ` Ian Kent
2010-08-04 14:44   ` Miklos Szeredi
2010-08-04 22:48     ` Valerie Aurora
2010-08-05 10:36       ` Miklos Szeredi
2010-08-05 23:30         ` Valerie Aurora
2010-08-06  8:15           ` Miklos Szeredi
2010-08-06 17:16             ` Valerie Aurora
2010-08-06 17:44               ` Miklos Szeredi
2010-08-04 23:04     ` Valerie Aurora
2010-08-05 11:13       ` Miklos Szeredi
2010-08-06 17:12         ` Valerie Aurora
2010-08-17 22:27         ` Valerie Aurora
2010-08-18  8:26           ` Miklos Szeredi

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