From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
To: Ted Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>
Cc: Yongqiang Yang <xiaoqiangnk@gmail.com>,
Andreas Dilger <adilger@dilger.ca>,
Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
Eric Sandeen <sandeen@sandeen.net>, xfs-oss <xfs@oss.sgi.com>,
"coreutils@gnu.org" <coreutils@gnu.org>,
"linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org" <linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org>,
P?draig Brady <P@draigbrady.com>,
Markus Trippelsdorf <markus@trippelsdorf.de>
Subject: Re: Files full of zeros with coreutils-8.11 and xfs (FIEMAP related?)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 01:27:32 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110419052732.GA19952@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110419025949.GA3030@thunk.org>
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On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 10:59:49PM -0400, Ted Ts'o wrote:
> Maybe coreutils will need to use FIEMAP_FLAG_SYNC initially, since
> it's the only way to guarantee correct behaviour for XFS. But I would
> really rather that be the long-term way we leave things!
As Eric pointed out both ext4 and XFS have the same behaviour when
writing into unwritten extent. I think you are a bit confused because
ext4 also got basic handling of delalloc extents wrong before commit
6d9c85eb700bd3ac59e63bb9de463dea1aca084c, which never was a problem with
XFS. It would be nice if ext4 developers had sent the included
regression test for xfs so that everyone could verify this behaviour,
btw.
To report written to but not synced unwritten extents properly we'd
need to move fiemap away from the onðdisk state reporting done so far
and do something that is purely in-memory. It would be doable by
walking the pagecache and checking for the buffer unwritten flag
in a loop over the pages, but I'm honestly not sure it's going to
help much. In fact given that unwritten extent were specifically
allocated before it doesn't seem like an overly smart idea to skip
them in a copy - yes it will save space but it also undoes the
previous explicit preallocation. If people want it they should rather
add a new option to cp to turn zeroes into holes.
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[not found] ` <20110414120635.GB1678@x4.trippels.de>
[not found] ` <20110414140222.GB1679@x4.trippels.de>
[not found] ` <20110414140222.GB1679-tLCgZGx+iJ+kxVt8IV0GqQ@public.gmane.org>
2011-04-14 14:59 ` Files full of zeros with coreutils-8.11 and xfs (FIEMAP related?) Pádraig Brady
[not found] ` <4DA70BD3.1070409-V8g9lnOeT5ydJdNcDFJN0w@public.gmane.org>
2011-04-14 15:50 ` Eric Sandeen
[not found] ` <4DA717B2.3020305-+82itfer+wXR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2011-04-14 15:52 ` Pádraig Brady
2011-04-14 15:56 ` Eric Sandeen
2011-04-14 16:03 ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-04-14 16:14 ` Eric Sandeen
[not found] ` <20110414160343.GA12787-tLCgZGx+iJ+kxVt8IV0GqQ@public.gmane.org>
2011-04-14 16:21 ` Yongqiang Yang
[not found] ` <BANLkTimRxvBMp9M7zwiUY_UmmFOY5N58+A-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2011-04-14 16:28 ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-04-14 16:31 ` Eric Sandeen
2011-04-14 16:48 ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-04-14 16:49 ` Eric Sandeen
2011-04-14 16:04 ` Yongqiang Yang
2011-04-14 16:10 ` Yongqiang Yang
[not found] ` <BANLkTimoLeWMJgNFGW+zdeUeJyZ-_+8fMQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2011-05-05 11:29 ` Pádraig Brady
2011-05-05 11:47 ` Yongqiang Yang
[not found] ` <4DA7182B.8050409-V8g9lnOeT5ydJdNcDFJN0w@public.gmane.org>
2011-04-14 17:27 ` Jim Meyering
2011-04-14 19:13 ` Pádraig Brady
[not found] ` <878vvcspz0.fsf-CybKA8TIZ99x3y/oJEDuiw@public.gmane.org>
2011-04-14 19:39 ` Jim Meyering
2011-04-14 22:59 ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-14 23:29 ` Pádraig Brady
2011-04-15 0:09 ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-15 5:01 ` Andreas Dilger
2011-04-16 0:50 ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-16 5:11 ` Andreas Dilger
2011-04-16 12:21 ` Theodore Tso
2011-04-18 0:40 ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-18 2:45 ` Andreas Dilger
2011-04-19 1:58 ` Yongqiang Yang
[not found] ` <BANLkTin=WEpSf6ddiOMNMOpCPP-wiEttSw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2011-04-19 2:59 ` Ted Ts'o
[not found] ` <20110419025949.GA3030-AKGzg7BKzIDYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org>
2011-04-19 3:05 ` Eric Sandeen
[not found] ` <4DACFBEB.9040909-+82itfer+wXR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2011-04-21 20:12 ` Jim Meyering
2011-04-19 3:30 ` Yongqiang Yang
2011-04-19 4:14 ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-19 5:27 ` Christoph Hellwig [this message]
2011-04-19 3:44 ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-19 6:53 ` Yongqiang Yang
2011-04-19 7:45 ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-19 8:11 ` Yongqiang Yang
2011-04-19 14:05 ` Eric Sandeen
2011-04-19 14:09 ` Ted Ts'o
2011-04-19 14:13 ` Eric Sandeen
2011-04-19 16:01 ` Ted Ts'o
2011-04-20 1:53 ` Yongqiang Yang
2011-04-20 15:21 ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-04-20 17:21 ` Ted Ts'o
[not found] ` <20110419140909.GD3030-AKGzg7BKzIDYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org>
2011-04-19 21:08 ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-20 15:29 ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-04-16 6:05 ` Yongqiang Yang
2011-04-18 0:35 ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-15 8:53 ` Jim Meyering
2011-04-15 17:16 ` Christoph Hellwig
[not found] ` <20110415171629.GA9088-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2011-04-15 17:24 ` Eric Blake
2011-04-15 17:26 ` Christoph Hellwig
[not found] ` <20110415172603.GA20086-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2011-04-15 22:28 ` Andreas Dilger
2011-04-16 0:25 ` Dave Chinner
[not found] ` <20110414102608.GA1678-tLCgZGx+iJ+kxVt8IV0GqQ@public.gmane.org>
2011-04-20 14:39 ` Jim Meyering
[not found] ` <87d3khugv1.fsf-CybKA8TIZ99x3y/oJEDuiw@public.gmane.org>
2011-04-21 20:01 ` Jim Meyering
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