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From: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
To: Surbhi Palande <surbhi.palande@ubuntu.com>
Cc: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	Toshiyuki Okajima <toshi.okajima@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Ted Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>,
	Masayoshi MIZUMA <m.mizuma@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Andreas Dilger <adilger.kernel@dilger.ca>,
	linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH] Re: [BUG] ext4: cannot unfreeze a filesystem due to a deadlock
Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 12:56:29 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110502105629.GA4556@quack.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4DBE746F.3090707@ubuntu.com>

On Mon 02-05-11 12:07:59, Surbhi Palande wrote:
> On 04/06/2011 02:21 PM, Dave Chinner wrote:
> >On Wed, Apr 06, 2011 at 08:18:56AM +0200, Jan Kara wrote:
> >>On Wed 06-04-11 15:40:05, Dave Chinner wrote:
> >>>On Fri, Apr 01, 2011 at 04:08:56PM +0200, Jan Kara wrote:
> >>>>On Fri 01-04-11 10:40:50, Dave Chinner wrote:
> >>>>>If you don't allow the page to be dirtied in the fist place, then
> >>>>>nothing needs to be done to the writeback path because there is
> >>>>>nothing dirty for it to write back.
> >>>>   Sure but that's only the problem he was able to hit. But generally,
> >>>>there's a problem with needing s_umount for unfreezing because it isn't
> >>>>clear there aren't other code paths which can block with s_umount held
> >>>>waiting for fs to get unfrozen. And these code paths would cause the same
> >>>>deadlock. That's why I chose to get rid of s_umount during thawing.
> >>>
> >>>Holding the s_umount lock while checking if frozen and sleeping
> >>>is essentially an ABBA lock inversion bug that can bite in many more
> >>>places that just thawing the filesystem.  Any where this is done should
> >>>be fixed, so I don't think just removing the s_umount lock from the thaw
> >>>path is sufficient to avoid problems.
> >>   That's easily said but hard to do - any transaction start in ext3/4 may
> >>block on filesystem being frozen (this seems to be similar for XFS as I'm
> >>looking into the code) and transaction start traditionally nests inside
> >>s_umount (and basically there's no way around that since sync() calls your
> >>fs code with s_umount held).
> >
> >Sure, but the question must be asked - why is ext3/4 even starting a
> >transaction on a clean filesystem during sync? A frozen filesystem,
> >by definition, is a clean filesytem, and therefore sync calls of any
> >kind should not be trying to write to the FS or start transactions.
> >XFS does this just fine, so I'd consider such behaviour on a frozen
> >filesystem a bug in ext3/4...
> 
> I had a look at the xfs code for seeing how this is done.
> xfs_file_aio_write()
>   xfs_wait_for_freeze()
>     vfs_check_frozen()
> So xfs_file_aio_write() writes to buffers when the FS is not frozen.
> 
> Now, I want to know what stops the following scenario from happening:
> --------------------
> xfs_file_aio_write()
>   xfs_wait_for_freeze()
>     vfs_check_frozen()
> At this point F.S was not frozen, so the next instruction in the
> xfs_file_aio_write() will be executed next.
> However at this point (i.e after checking if F.S is frozen) the
> write process gets pre-empted and say the _freeze_ process gets
> control.
> 
> Now the F.S freezes and the write process gets the control back. And
> so we end up writing to the page cache when the F.S is frozen.
> --------------------
> 
> Can anyone please enlighten me on how & why this premption is _not_
> possible?
  XFS works similarly as ext4 in this regard I believe. They have the log
frozen in xfs_freeze() so if the race you describe above happens, either
the writing process gets caught waiting for log to unfreeze or it manages
to start a transaction and then freezing process waits for transaction to
finish before it can proceed with freezing. I'm not sure why is there the
check in xfs_file_aio_write()...

								Honza
-- 
Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
SUSE Labs, CR

  reply	other threads:[~2011-05-02 10:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 120+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-02-07 11:53 [BUG] ext4: cannot unfreeze a filesystem due to a deadlock Masayoshi MIZUMA
2011-02-15 16:06 ` Jan Kara
2011-02-15 17:03   ` Ted Ts'o
2011-02-15 17:29     ` Jan Kara
2011-02-15 18:04       ` Ted Ts'o
2011-02-15 19:11         ` Jan Kara
2011-02-15 23:17       ` Toshiyuki Okajima
2011-02-16 14:56         ` Jan Kara
2011-02-17  3:50           ` Toshiyuki Okajima
2011-02-17  5:13             ` Andreas Dilger
2011-02-17 10:41               ` Jan Kara
2011-02-17 10:45             ` Jan Kara
2011-03-28  8:06               ` [RFC][PATCH] " Toshiyuki Okajima
2011-03-30 14:12                 ` Jan Kara
2011-03-31  8:37                   ` Yongqiang Yang
2011-03-31  8:48                     ` Yongqiang Yang
2011-03-31 14:04                     ` Eric Sandeen
2011-03-31 14:36                       ` Yongqiang Yang
2011-03-31 15:25                         ` Eric Sandeen
2011-03-31 16:28                         ` Jan Kara
2011-03-31 12:03                   ` Toshiyuki Okajima
2011-04-05 10:25                     ` Toshiyuki Okajima
2011-04-05 22:54                       ` Jan Kara
2011-04-06  5:09                         ` Toshiyuki Okajima
2011-04-06  5:57                           ` Jan Kara
2011-04-06  7:40                             ` Toshiyuki Okajima
2011-04-06 17:46                               ` Jan Kara
2011-04-15 13:39                                 ` Toshiyuki Okajima
2011-04-15 17:13                                   ` Jan Kara
2011-04-15 17:17                                     ` Eric Sandeen
2011-04-15 17:37                                       ` Jan Kara
2011-04-18  9:05                                     ` Toshiyuki Okajima
2011-04-18 10:51                                       ` Jan Kara
2011-04-19  9:43                                         ` Toshiyuki Okajima
2011-04-22  6:58                                           ` Toshiyuki Okajima
2011-04-22 21:26                                             ` Peter M. Petrakis
2011-04-22 21:40                                               ` Jan Kara
2011-04-22 22:57                                                 ` Peter M. Petrakis
2011-04-22 22:10                                             ` Jan Kara
2011-04-25  6:28                                               ` Toshiyuki Okajima
2011-05-03  8:06                                                 ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-03 11:01                                       ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-03 13:08                                         ` (unknown), Surbhi Palande
2011-05-03 13:46                                           ` your mail Jan Kara
2011-05-03 13:56                                             ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-03 15:26                                               ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-03 15:36                                               ` Jan Kara
2011-05-03 15:43                                                 ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-04 19:24                                                   ` Jan Kara
2011-05-06 15:20                                                     ` [RFC][PATCH] Do not accept a new handle when the F.S is frozen Surbhi Palande
2011-05-06 15:20                                                     ` [PATCH] Adding support to freeze and unfreeze a journal Surbhi Palande
2011-05-06 20:56                                                       ` Andreas Dilger
2011-05-07 20:04                                                         ` [PATCH v2] " Surbhi Palande
2011-05-08  8:24                                                           ` Marco Stornelli
2011-05-09  9:04                                                             ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-09  9:24                                                               ` Jan Kara
2011-05-09  9:53                                                           ` Jan Kara
2011-05-09 13:49                                                             ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-09 14:51                                                               ` [PATCH v3] " Surbhi Palande
2011-05-09 15:08                                                                 ` Jan Kara
2011-05-10 15:07                                                                   ` [PATCH] " Surbhi Palande
2011-05-10 21:07                                                                     ` Andreas Dilger
2011-05-11  7:46                                                                       ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-09 15:23                                                                 ` [PATCH v3] " Eric Sandeen
2011-05-11  7:06                                                                   ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-11  7:10                                                                     ` [PATCH] Attempt to sync the fsstress writes to a frozen F.S Surbhi Palande
2011-05-12 14:22                                                                       ` Eric Sandeen
2011-05-24 21:42                                                                       ` Ted Ts'o
2011-05-25 12:00                                                                         ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-25 12:12                                                                           ` Theodore Tso
2011-05-27 16:28                                                                             ` Jan Kara
2011-05-11  9:05                                                                     ` [PATCH v3] Adding support to freeze and unfreeze a journal Andreas Dilger
2011-05-12  9:40                                                                       ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-03 13:08                                         ` [PATCH] Prevent dirtying a page when ext4 F.S is frozen Surbhi Palande
2011-05-03 15:19                                         ` [RFC][PATCH] Re: [BUG] ext4: cannot unfreeze a filesystem due to a deadlock Jan Kara
2011-05-04 12:09                                           ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-04 19:19                                             ` Jan Kara
2011-05-04 21:34                                               ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-04 22:48                                                 ` Jan Kara
2011-05-05  6:06                                                   ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-05 11:18                                                     ` Jan Kara
2011-05-05 14:01                                                       ` Surbhi Palande
2011-03-31 23:40                 ` Dave Chinner
2011-03-31 23:53                   ` Eric Sandeen
2011-04-01 14:08                   ` Jan Kara
2011-04-06  5:40                     ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-06  6:18                       ` Jan Kara
2011-04-06 11:21                         ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-06 13:44                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-04-06 22:59                             ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-06 17:40                           ` Jan Kara
2011-04-06 22:54                             ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-08 21:33                               ` Jan Kara
2011-05-02  9:07                           ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-02 10:56                             ` Jan Kara [this message]
2011-05-02 11:27                               ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-02 12:06                                 ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-02 12:20                                 ` Jan Kara
2011-05-02 12:30                                   ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-02 13:16                                     ` Jan Kara
2011-05-02 13:22                                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-05-02 14:20                                         ` Jan Kara
2011-05-02 14:41                                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-05-02 16:23                                             ` Jan Kara
2011-05-02 16:38                                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-05-02 13:22                                       ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-02 13:24                                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-05-02 13:27                                           ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-02 14:26                                             ` Jan Kara
2011-05-02 14:04                                         ` Eric Sandeen
2011-05-03  7:27                                           ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-03 20:14                                             ` Eric Sandeen
2011-05-04  8:26                                               ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-04 14:30                                                 ` Eric Sandeen
2011-05-02 14:01                                     ` Eric Sandeen
2011-04-05 10:44                   ` Toshiyuki Okajima
2011-12-09  1:56 ` Masayoshi MIZUMA
2011-12-15 12:41   ` Masayoshi MIZUMA
2013-11-29  4:58     ` Yongqiang Yang
2013-11-29  8:00       ` Jan Kara

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