From: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
To: Surbhi Palande <surbhi.palande@ubuntu.com>
Cc: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
Toshiyuki Okajima <toshi.okajima@jp.fujitsu.com>,
Ted Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>,
Masayoshi MIZUMA <m.mizuma@jp.fujitsu.com>,
Andreas Dilger <adilger.kernel@dilger.ca>,
linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH] Re: [BUG] ext4: cannot unfreeze a filesystem due to a deadlock
Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 12:56:29 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110502105629.GA4556@quack.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4DBE746F.3090707@ubuntu.com>
On Mon 02-05-11 12:07:59, Surbhi Palande wrote:
> On 04/06/2011 02:21 PM, Dave Chinner wrote:
> >On Wed, Apr 06, 2011 at 08:18:56AM +0200, Jan Kara wrote:
> >>On Wed 06-04-11 15:40:05, Dave Chinner wrote:
> >>>On Fri, Apr 01, 2011 at 04:08:56PM +0200, Jan Kara wrote:
> >>>>On Fri 01-04-11 10:40:50, Dave Chinner wrote:
> >>>>>If you don't allow the page to be dirtied in the fist place, then
> >>>>>nothing needs to be done to the writeback path because there is
> >>>>>nothing dirty for it to write back.
> >>>> Sure but that's only the problem he was able to hit. But generally,
> >>>>there's a problem with needing s_umount for unfreezing because it isn't
> >>>>clear there aren't other code paths which can block with s_umount held
> >>>>waiting for fs to get unfrozen. And these code paths would cause the same
> >>>>deadlock. That's why I chose to get rid of s_umount during thawing.
> >>>
> >>>Holding the s_umount lock while checking if frozen and sleeping
> >>>is essentially an ABBA lock inversion bug that can bite in many more
> >>>places that just thawing the filesystem. Any where this is done should
> >>>be fixed, so I don't think just removing the s_umount lock from the thaw
> >>>path is sufficient to avoid problems.
> >> That's easily said but hard to do - any transaction start in ext3/4 may
> >>block on filesystem being frozen (this seems to be similar for XFS as I'm
> >>looking into the code) and transaction start traditionally nests inside
> >>s_umount (and basically there's no way around that since sync() calls your
> >>fs code with s_umount held).
> >
> >Sure, but the question must be asked - why is ext3/4 even starting a
> >transaction on a clean filesystem during sync? A frozen filesystem,
> >by definition, is a clean filesytem, and therefore sync calls of any
> >kind should not be trying to write to the FS or start transactions.
> >XFS does this just fine, so I'd consider such behaviour on a frozen
> >filesystem a bug in ext3/4...
>
> I had a look at the xfs code for seeing how this is done.
> xfs_file_aio_write()
> xfs_wait_for_freeze()
> vfs_check_frozen()
> So xfs_file_aio_write() writes to buffers when the FS is not frozen.
>
> Now, I want to know what stops the following scenario from happening:
> --------------------
> xfs_file_aio_write()
> xfs_wait_for_freeze()
> vfs_check_frozen()
> At this point F.S was not frozen, so the next instruction in the
> xfs_file_aio_write() will be executed next.
> However at this point (i.e after checking if F.S is frozen) the
> write process gets pre-empted and say the _freeze_ process gets
> control.
>
> Now the F.S freezes and the write process gets the control back. And
> so we end up writing to the page cache when the F.S is frozen.
> --------------------
>
> Can anyone please enlighten me on how & why this premption is _not_
> possible?
XFS works similarly as ext4 in this regard I believe. They have the log
frozen in xfs_freeze() so if the race you describe above happens, either
the writing process gets caught waiting for log to unfreeze or it manages
to start a transaction and then freezing process waits for transaction to
finish before it can proceed with freezing. I'm not sure why is there the
check in xfs_file_aio_write()...
Honza
--
Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
SUSE Labs, CR
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-05-02 10:56 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 120+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-02-07 11:53 [BUG] ext4: cannot unfreeze a filesystem due to a deadlock Masayoshi MIZUMA
2011-02-15 16:06 ` Jan Kara
2011-02-15 17:03 ` Ted Ts'o
2011-02-15 17:29 ` Jan Kara
2011-02-15 18:04 ` Ted Ts'o
2011-02-15 19:11 ` Jan Kara
2011-02-15 23:17 ` Toshiyuki Okajima
2011-02-16 14:56 ` Jan Kara
2011-02-17 3:50 ` Toshiyuki Okajima
2011-02-17 5:13 ` Andreas Dilger
2011-02-17 10:41 ` Jan Kara
2011-02-17 10:45 ` Jan Kara
2011-03-28 8:06 ` [RFC][PATCH] " Toshiyuki Okajima
2011-03-30 14:12 ` Jan Kara
2011-03-31 8:37 ` Yongqiang Yang
2011-03-31 8:48 ` Yongqiang Yang
2011-03-31 14:04 ` Eric Sandeen
2011-03-31 14:36 ` Yongqiang Yang
2011-03-31 15:25 ` Eric Sandeen
2011-03-31 16:28 ` Jan Kara
2011-03-31 12:03 ` Toshiyuki Okajima
2011-04-05 10:25 ` Toshiyuki Okajima
2011-04-05 22:54 ` Jan Kara
2011-04-06 5:09 ` Toshiyuki Okajima
2011-04-06 5:57 ` Jan Kara
2011-04-06 7:40 ` Toshiyuki Okajima
2011-04-06 17:46 ` Jan Kara
2011-04-15 13:39 ` Toshiyuki Okajima
2011-04-15 17:13 ` Jan Kara
2011-04-15 17:17 ` Eric Sandeen
2011-04-15 17:37 ` Jan Kara
2011-04-18 9:05 ` Toshiyuki Okajima
2011-04-18 10:51 ` Jan Kara
2011-04-19 9:43 ` Toshiyuki Okajima
2011-04-22 6:58 ` Toshiyuki Okajima
2011-04-22 21:26 ` Peter M. Petrakis
2011-04-22 21:40 ` Jan Kara
2011-04-22 22:57 ` Peter M. Petrakis
2011-04-22 22:10 ` Jan Kara
2011-04-25 6:28 ` Toshiyuki Okajima
2011-05-03 8:06 ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-03 11:01 ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-03 13:08 ` (unknown), Surbhi Palande
2011-05-03 13:46 ` your mail Jan Kara
2011-05-03 13:56 ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-03 15:26 ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-03 15:36 ` Jan Kara
2011-05-03 15:43 ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-04 19:24 ` Jan Kara
2011-05-06 15:20 ` [RFC][PATCH] Do not accept a new handle when the F.S is frozen Surbhi Palande
2011-05-06 15:20 ` [PATCH] Adding support to freeze and unfreeze a journal Surbhi Palande
2011-05-06 20:56 ` Andreas Dilger
2011-05-07 20:04 ` [PATCH v2] " Surbhi Palande
2011-05-08 8:24 ` Marco Stornelli
2011-05-09 9:04 ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-09 9:24 ` Jan Kara
2011-05-09 9:53 ` Jan Kara
2011-05-09 13:49 ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-09 14:51 ` [PATCH v3] " Surbhi Palande
2011-05-09 15:08 ` Jan Kara
2011-05-10 15:07 ` [PATCH] " Surbhi Palande
2011-05-10 21:07 ` Andreas Dilger
2011-05-11 7:46 ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-09 15:23 ` [PATCH v3] " Eric Sandeen
2011-05-11 7:06 ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-11 7:10 ` [PATCH] Attempt to sync the fsstress writes to a frozen F.S Surbhi Palande
2011-05-12 14:22 ` Eric Sandeen
2011-05-24 21:42 ` Ted Ts'o
2011-05-25 12:00 ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-25 12:12 ` Theodore Tso
2011-05-27 16:28 ` Jan Kara
2011-05-11 9:05 ` [PATCH v3] Adding support to freeze and unfreeze a journal Andreas Dilger
2011-05-12 9:40 ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-03 13:08 ` [PATCH] Prevent dirtying a page when ext4 F.S is frozen Surbhi Palande
2011-05-03 15:19 ` [RFC][PATCH] Re: [BUG] ext4: cannot unfreeze a filesystem due to a deadlock Jan Kara
2011-05-04 12:09 ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-04 19:19 ` Jan Kara
2011-05-04 21:34 ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-04 22:48 ` Jan Kara
2011-05-05 6:06 ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-05 11:18 ` Jan Kara
2011-05-05 14:01 ` Surbhi Palande
2011-03-31 23:40 ` Dave Chinner
2011-03-31 23:53 ` Eric Sandeen
2011-04-01 14:08 ` Jan Kara
2011-04-06 5:40 ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-06 6:18 ` Jan Kara
2011-04-06 11:21 ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-06 13:44 ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-04-06 22:59 ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-06 17:40 ` Jan Kara
2011-04-06 22:54 ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-08 21:33 ` Jan Kara
2011-05-02 9:07 ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-02 10:56 ` Jan Kara [this message]
2011-05-02 11:27 ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-02 12:06 ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-02 12:20 ` Jan Kara
2011-05-02 12:30 ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-02 13:16 ` Jan Kara
2011-05-02 13:22 ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-05-02 14:20 ` Jan Kara
2011-05-02 14:41 ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-05-02 16:23 ` Jan Kara
2011-05-02 16:38 ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-05-02 13:22 ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-02 13:24 ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-05-02 13:27 ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-02 14:26 ` Jan Kara
2011-05-02 14:04 ` Eric Sandeen
2011-05-03 7:27 ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-03 20:14 ` Eric Sandeen
2011-05-04 8:26 ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-04 14:30 ` Eric Sandeen
2011-05-02 14:01 ` Eric Sandeen
2011-04-05 10:44 ` Toshiyuki Okajima
2011-12-09 1:56 ` Masayoshi MIZUMA
2011-12-15 12:41 ` Masayoshi MIZUMA
2013-11-29 4:58 ` Yongqiang Yang
2013-11-29 8:00 ` Jan Kara
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