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From: Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>
To: Naoya Horiguchi <n-horiguchi@ah.jp.nec.com>
Cc: Andi Kleen <andi.kleen@intel.com>,
	Tony Luck <tony.luck@intel.com>,
	Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>, Jun'ichi Nomura <j-nomura@ce.jp.nec.com>,
	Akira Fujita <a-fujita@rs.jp.nec.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/3] ext4: introduce ext4_error_remove_page
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 02:12:06 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20121026061206.GA31139@thunk.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1351177969-893-3-git-send-email-n-horiguchi@ah.jp.nec.com>

On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 11:12:48AM -0400, Naoya Horiguchi wrote:
> +	/* Lost data. Handle as critical fs error. */
> +	bh = head = page_buffers(page);
> +	do {
> +		if (buffer_dirty(bh) && !buffer_delay(bh)) {
> +			block = bh->b_blocknr;
> +			EXT4_ERROR_INODE_BLOCK(inode, block,
> +						"Removing dirty pagecache page");
> +		} else
> +			EXT4_ERROR_INODE(inode,
> +					"Removing dirty pagecache page");

One of the side effects of calling EXT4_ERROR_INODE (or ext3_error in
your ext3 patch), it sets the "file system is corrupt" bit which
forces the file system to be fsck'ed at the next boot.

If this is just a memory error, it's not clear that this is the right
thing to have happen.  It's also not clear what the benefit would be
is of forcing a reboot in the errors=panic case.  If the file system
is corrupt, forcing a panic and reboot is useful because it allows a
file system to get checked instead of allowing the system to continue
on and perhaps cause more data loss.

But if what happened is that there was a hard ECC error on a page,
we've already lost data.  Forcing a reboot isn't going to make things
better; and if you force an e2fsck, it will just increase the system's
downtime.  It's also not entirely clear that throwing away the page is
the right thing to do, either, by the way.  If you have a hard ECC
error, then there has might be a two or three bits that have gotten
flipped on that page.  But by throwing the dirty page entirely, we're
throwing away 4k worth of data.

If we go back to first principles, what do we want to do?  We want the
system administrator to know that a file might be potentially
corrupted.  And perhaps, if a program tries to read from that file, it
should get an error.  If we have a program that has that file mmap'ed
at the time of the error, perhaps we should kill the program with some
kind of signal.  But to force a reboot of the entire system?  Or to
remounte the file system read-only?  That seems to be completely
disproportionate for what might be 2 or 3 bits getting flipped in a
page cache for a file.

						- Ted

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-10-26  6:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-10-25 15:12 [PATCH 0/3] HWPOISON: improve error_remove_page() Naoya Horiguchi
2012-10-25 15:12 ` [PATCH 1/3] mm: print out information of file affected by memory error Naoya Horiguchi
2012-10-25 19:32   ` Jan Kara
2012-10-25 20:34     ` Naoya Horiguchi
2012-10-25 15:12 ` [PATCH 2/3] ext4: introduce ext4_error_remove_page Naoya Horiguchi
2012-10-25 19:39   ` Jan Kara
2012-10-26  6:12   ` Theodore Ts'o [this message]
2012-10-26 16:55     ` Luck, Tony
2012-10-26 18:46       ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-10-26 22:24         ` Luck, Tony
2012-10-27 22:16           ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-10-28  1:57             ` Naoya Horiguchi
2012-10-29  1:16             ` Dave Chinner
2012-10-29  2:40               ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-10-29 10:37                 ` Andi Kleen
2012-10-29 11:05                   ` Jun'ichi Nomura
2012-10-29 18:24                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-10-29 18:55                     ` Jan Kara
2012-10-29 19:07                     ` Andi Kleen
2012-10-29 21:47                       ` Naoya Horiguchi
2012-10-30  0:00                       ` Jun'ichi Nomura
2012-10-29 18:11             ` Luck, Tony
2012-10-31  0:21               ` Dave Chinner
2012-10-26 18:50     ` Naoya Horiguchi
2012-10-25 15:12 ` [PATCH 3/3] ext3: introduce ext3_error_remove_page Naoya Horiguchi
2012-10-25 19:45   ` Jan Kara
2012-10-25 20:35     ` Naoya Horiguchi

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