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From: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
To: Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>
Cc: Eric Sandeen <sandeen@redhat.com>,
	Ext4 Developers List <linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org>,
	Zheng Liu <gnehzuil.liu@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/5 v2] add extent status tree caching
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 11:38:31 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130722013831.GE11674@dastard> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130719161930.GF17938@thunk.org>

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 12:19:30PM -0400, Theodore Ts'o wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 01:33:09PM +1000, Dave Chinner wrote:
> > An ioctl is kinda silly for this. Just use O_NONBLOCK when calling
> > open() and do the prefetch right in the open call. The open() can
> > block, anyway, and what you are trying to do is non-blocking IO with
> > AIO, so it seems like we've already got a sensible, generic
> > interface for triggering this sort of prefetch operation.
> 
> O_NONBLOCK (either set via open or fcntl) is a possibility, since it's
> carefully defined to be unspecified for regular files by SUSv3.  It is
> quite different from the existing semantics for O_NONBLOCK, though.
> Currently, for all file types where O_NONBLOCK is not ignored, open(2)
> is guaranteed itself not to block.  If we use O_NONBLOCK for regular
> files to mean that any necessary metadata blocks required for AIO to
> be "A" will be cached, then it will make open(2) much more likely to
> block.  Also, for all file types where O_NONBLOCK is not ignored,
> read(2) will not block but instead return -1 and set errno to EAGAIN.
> This would also be a change.
> 
> If we tried to get this new semantics for O_NONBLOCK to be accepted by
> the Austin Group for standardization in the future, would they accept
> it, or would they say, "this makes me vommit"?  I have a suspicion
> there reaction might be closer to the latter....
> 
> If we want a VFS-level API, in my opinion an fadvise() flag would be a
> better choice.

Sure. Make it an fadvise() flag - just don't add ioctls for things
that are generically useful.

On second thoughts - you're trying to get the extent map read in. We
already have an interface for querying extent maps - fiemap.
FIEMAP_FLAG_PREFETCH along with the range of the file you want the
extent map prefetched for?

Cheers,

Dave.
-- 
Dave Chinner
david@fromorbit.com

  reply	other threads:[~2013-07-22  1:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-07-16 15:17 [PATCH 0/5 v2] add extent status tree caching Theodore Ts'o
2013-07-16 15:17 ` [PATCH 1/5] ext4: refactor code to read the extent tree block Theodore Ts'o
2013-07-16 15:18 ` [PATCH 2/5] ext4: print the block number of invalid extent tree blocks Theodore Ts'o
2013-07-18  0:56   ` Zheng Liu
2013-07-16 15:18 ` [PATCH 3/5] ext4: use unsigned int for es_status values Theodore Ts'o
2013-07-16 15:18 ` [PATCH 4/5] ext4: cache all of an extent tree's leaf block upon reading Theodore Ts'o
2013-07-16 15:18 ` [PATCH 5/5] ext4: add new ioctl EXT4_IOC_PRECACHE_EXTENTS Theodore Ts'o
2013-07-18  1:19   ` Zheng Liu
2013-07-18  2:50     ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-07-18 13:06       ` Zheng Liu
2013-07-18 15:21         ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-07-18 18:35 ` [PATCH 0/5 v2] add extent status tree caching Eric Sandeen
2013-07-18 18:53   ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-07-19  0:56     ` Eric Sandeen
2013-07-19  2:59       ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-07-19  3:33         ` Dave Chinner
2013-07-19 14:22           ` Jeff Moyer
2013-07-19 16:19           ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-07-22  1:38             ` Dave Chinner [this message]
2013-07-22  2:17               ` Zheng Liu
2013-07-22 10:02                 ` Dave Chinner
2013-07-22 12:57                   ` Zheng Liu
2013-07-30  3:08                     ` Dave Chinner
2013-08-04  1:27                       ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-08-13  3:10                         ` Dave Chinner
2013-08-13  3:21                           ` Eric Sandeen
2013-08-13 13:04                             ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-08-16  3:21                               ` Dave Chinner
2013-08-16 14:39                                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-07-18 23:54   ` Zheng Liu
2013-07-19  0:07     ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-07-19  1:03       ` Zheng Liu

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