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From: Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>
To: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
Cc: Eric Sandeen <sandeen@redhat.com>,
	Ext4 Developers List <linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/5 v2] add extent status tree caching
Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2013 21:27:40 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130804012740.GC19781@thunk.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130730030807.GI21982@dastard>

On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 01:08:07PM +1000, Dave Chinner wrote:
> But Ted's case is not a "hint" - it's a direct command to fetch the
> extent map from disk. You can do that already with FIEMAP, so no new
> code or interfaces are needed. fadvise() is not the proper interface
> for manipulating filesystem metadata behaviour, and fiemap can
> already do what you need. There is no need for any new interfaces
> here.

I've been looking at the definition of fiemap, and I'm not convinced.
To quote from the fiemap.txt:

   The fiemap ioctl is an efficient method for userspace to get file
   extent mappings.

That's not what is going on here.  We are pre-caching them into kernel
memory, not in user-space.  In addition, we're also setting a flag to
keep these extents preferentially in memory compared to other entries
in the extent cache.

I agree that posix_fadvise() isn't really a good match, either:

   "posix_fadvise - predeclare an access pattern for file data"

How about this?  FIEMAP is an ioctl, anyway.  How about if we just
declare this as a new fs-independent ioctl, much like FS_IOC_FIEMAP?

#define FS_IOC_PRECACHE_EXTENTS    _IO('f', 18)

This is, of course, assuming that other file systems are interested in
implementing this functionality.  If not, we can just keep it as
EXT4_IOC_PRECACHE_EXTENTS, and just call it a day.  (We can always add
a definition of FS_IOC_PRECACHE_EXTENTS set to ext4 ioctl's code
point, at some later point, if people change their minds.)

			       	    	      - Ted

  reply	other threads:[~2013-08-04  1:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-07-16 15:17 [PATCH 0/5 v2] add extent status tree caching Theodore Ts'o
2013-07-16 15:17 ` [PATCH 1/5] ext4: refactor code to read the extent tree block Theodore Ts'o
2013-07-16 15:18 ` [PATCH 2/5] ext4: print the block number of invalid extent tree blocks Theodore Ts'o
2013-07-18  0:56   ` Zheng Liu
2013-07-16 15:18 ` [PATCH 3/5] ext4: use unsigned int for es_status values Theodore Ts'o
2013-07-16 15:18 ` [PATCH 4/5] ext4: cache all of an extent tree's leaf block upon reading Theodore Ts'o
2013-07-16 15:18 ` [PATCH 5/5] ext4: add new ioctl EXT4_IOC_PRECACHE_EXTENTS Theodore Ts'o
2013-07-18  1:19   ` Zheng Liu
2013-07-18  2:50     ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-07-18 13:06       ` Zheng Liu
2013-07-18 15:21         ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-07-18 18:35 ` [PATCH 0/5 v2] add extent status tree caching Eric Sandeen
2013-07-18 18:53   ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-07-19  0:56     ` Eric Sandeen
2013-07-19  2:59       ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-07-19  3:33         ` Dave Chinner
2013-07-19 14:22           ` Jeff Moyer
2013-07-19 16:19           ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-07-22  1:38             ` Dave Chinner
2013-07-22  2:17               ` Zheng Liu
2013-07-22 10:02                 ` Dave Chinner
2013-07-22 12:57                   ` Zheng Liu
2013-07-30  3:08                     ` Dave Chinner
2013-08-04  1:27                       ` Theodore Ts'o [this message]
2013-08-13  3:10                         ` Dave Chinner
2013-08-13  3:21                           ` Eric Sandeen
2013-08-13 13:04                             ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-08-16  3:21                               ` Dave Chinner
2013-08-16 14:39                                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-07-18 23:54   ` Zheng Liu
2013-07-19  0:07     ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-07-19  1:03       ` Zheng Liu

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