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From: Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>
To: George Spelvin <linux@horizon.com>
Cc: linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] mke2fs -E hash_alg=siphash: any interest?
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2014 13:55:15 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140921175515.GA30646@thunk.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140921095339.9074.qmail@ns.horizon.com>

On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 05:53:39AM -0400, George Spelvin wrote:
> 
> Basically, it offers security similar to teahash with a faster, and better
> studied, primitive designed specifically for this application.
> 
> I'm thinking of turning this into a patch for ext2utils and fs/ext4.
> 
> Could I ask what the general level of interest is?  On a scale of "hell,
> no, not more support burden!" to "thank you, I've been meaning to find
> time to add that!"

I'm certainly not against adding a new hash function.  The reality is
that it would be quite a while before we could turn it on by default,
because of the backwards compatibility concerns.

The question I would ask is whether we can show an anctual performance
improvement with the hash being used in situ.  Let's give it the best
possible chance of making a difference; let's assume a RAM disk with a
very metadata intensive benchmark, with journalling turned off.  What
sort of difference would we see, either in terms of system CPU time,
wall clock time, etc.?

The results of such a benchmark would certainly make a difference in
how aggressively we might try to phase in a new hash algorithm.

Cheers,

					- Ted

  reply	other threads:[~2014-09-21 17:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-09-21  9:53 [RFC] mke2fs -E hash_alg=siphash: any interest? George Spelvin
2014-09-21 17:55 ` Theodore Ts'o [this message]
2014-09-21 21:04   ` linux
2014-09-21 22:08     ` TR Reardon
2014-09-22  2:31       ` George Spelvin
2014-09-22 17:09         ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-09-22 23:14           ` George Spelvin
2014-09-22  1:17     ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-09-23 22:25   ` Andreas Dilger
2014-09-23 23:00     ` George Spelvin
2014-09-23 23:22       ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-09-24  0:37         ` George Spelvin

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