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From: "Darrick J. Wong" <darrick.wong@oracle.com>
To: "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>
Cc: linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 16/34] libext2fs/e2fsck: refactor everyone who writes zero blocks to disk
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 10:09:00 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20141013170900.GD12009@birch.djwong.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20141013100903.GD9738@thunk.org>

On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 06:09:03AM -0400, Theodore Ts'o wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 13, 2014 at 03:12:59PM -0700, Darrick J. Wong wrote:
> > Convert all call sites that write zero blocks to disk to use
> > ext2fs_zero_blocks2() since it can use Linux's zero out feature to do
> > the writes more quickly.  Reclaim the zero buffer at freefs time and
> > make the write-zeroes fallback use a larger buffer.
> 
> This patch doesn't actually convert Linux to use the zero out feature,

Assuming you meant '...convert e2fsprogs to use...'?

(You're right, it converts e2fsprogs to use ext2fs_zero_blocks(), which at this
point in the patch series might call BLKZEROOUT.)

> and I'm not entirely sure how much benefit this is going to actually
> give us, since in most of the places which you are converting to use
> ext2fs_zero_blocks2() is only zero'ing a block or two.
> 
> On the cost side of the equation, the first time we try to zero out a
> single 4k block, this patch causes us to ignore the block allocated
> and passed into ext2fs_alloc_block2(), and instead allocate a 4
> megabyte buffer which is used only for ext2fs_zero_blocks2, which is
> not released until e2fsck/mke2fs/resize2fs exits.
> 
> If we had reliable trim/discard that was guaranteed to zero a block
> and would never be dropped by the storage device, then maybe it would
> be worth it, but as it is, the only real benefit I see from this patch
> is the fact that patch results in the deletion of 84 lines of code.

I'm not calling discard/trim, I'm calling blkzeroout or (in the next patchbomb
rev) file punch.  Zero-out is supposed to be mandatory, unlike its flakey
cousin discard.  Right?

> Maybe it would be worth it to add a ext2fs_zero_blocks3() which takes
> an optional temporary buffer, much like the other if we really want to
> do the code refactor?

Yes, I think that would be a good idea -- only allocate the static buffer if
the caller declines to provide one.

> 					- Ted
> 
> P.S.  Did you really see a speedup in using a 4MB zero block buffer,
> instead of a 32k block buffer?  The reason why I had chosen a stride
> length of 8 was that some ten years ago, using hardware I had at my
> disposal, using a larger zero buffer really didn't improve performance
> any.  I'm sure that things have changed since then, but on what
> systems were you testing that motivated going to a 4 meg buffer?

A bunch of (probably crummy) consumer grade SSDs.  I suspect the erase size is
4MB, or at least a few megabytes. :)

I also noticed that my throwaway RAID0 (stripe size 512K) got faster at mkfs
time since it could issue IO to multiple disks simultaneously.

--D

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  reply	other threads:[~2014-10-13 17:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-09-13 22:11 [PATCH 00/34] e2fsprogs Summer 2014 patchbomb, part 6 Darrick J. Wong
2014-09-13 22:11 ` [PATCH 01/34] e2fsck: offer to clear overlapping extents Darrick J. Wong
2014-09-19  1:45   ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-09-13 22:11 ` [PATCH 02/34] e2fsck: fix sliding the directory block down on bigalloc Darrick J. Wong
2014-09-19  1:45   ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-09-13 22:11 ` [PATCH 03/34] misc: zero s_jnl_blocks when adding journal online or removing external journal Darrick J. Wong
2014-09-19  1:45   ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-09-13 22:11 ` [PATCH 04/34] libext2fs: ext2fs_new_block2() should call alloc_block hook Darrick J. Wong
2014-09-13 22:11 ` [PATCH 05/34] debugfs: manage needs_recover feature when messing with the journal Darrick J. Wong
2014-09-19  6:01   ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-09-13 22:11 ` [PATCH 06/34] debugfs: add LIBINTL to debugfs link command Darrick J. Wong
2014-09-19  4:46   ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-10-17 21:07     ` Darrick J. Wong
2014-10-18 16:10       ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-09-13 22:11 ` [PATCH 07/34] ext2fs: add readahead method to improve scanning Darrick J. Wong
2014-09-19 16:15   ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-09-13 22:12 ` [PATCH 08/34] libext2fs/e2fsck: provide routines to read-ahead metadata Darrick J. Wong
2014-09-13 22:12 ` [PATCH 09/34] e2fsck: read-ahead metadata during passes 1, 2, and 4 Darrick J. Wong
2014-09-13 22:12 ` [PATCH 10/34] dumpe2fs: provide a machine-readable group-only mode Darrick J. Wong
2014-09-19 16:17   ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-09-13 22:12 ` [PATCH 11/34] dumpe2fs: output cleanup Darrick J. Wong
2014-09-19 16:22   ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-09-19 20:00     ` Darrick J. Wong
2014-10-13 18:04       ` Darrick J. Wong
2014-09-13 22:12 ` [PATCH 12/34] misc: move check_plausibility into a separate file Darrick J. Wong
2014-09-19 22:16   ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-09-13 22:12 ` [PATCH 13/34] misc: add plausibility checks to debugfs/tune2fs/dumpe2fs/e2fsck Darrick J. Wong
2014-09-19 23:00   ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-09-13 22:12 ` [PATCH 14/34] misc: use libmagic when libblkid can't identify something Darrick J. Wong
2014-09-21  5:29   ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-09-13 22:12 ` [PATCH 15/34] libext2fs: support BLKZEROOUT/FALLOC_FL_ZERO_RANGE in ext2fs_zero_blocks Darrick J. Wong
2014-09-22  2:51   ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-09-29 18:58     ` Darrick J. Wong
2014-10-14  2:58   ` Darrick J. Wong
2014-10-18 16:32   ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-10-20 23:37     ` Darrick J. Wong
2014-09-13 22:12 ` [PATCH 16/34] libext2fs/e2fsck: refactor everyone who writes zero blocks to disk Darrick J. Wong
2014-10-13 10:09   ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-10-13 17:09     ` Darrick J. Wong [this message]
2014-09-13 22:13 ` [PATCH 17/34] libext2fs: support allocating uninit blocks in bmap2() Darrick J. Wong
2014-10-13 14:35   ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-10-13 16:56     ` Darrick J. Wong
2014-10-13 18:34       ` Darrick J. Wong
2014-09-13 22:13 ` [PATCH 18/34] libext2fs: file IO routines should handle uninit blocks Darrick J. Wong
2014-09-13 22:13 ` [PATCH 19/34] resize2fs: convert fs to and from 64bit mode Darrick J. Wong
2014-09-14 17:34   ` TR Reardon
2014-09-14 17:50     ` Darrick J. Wong
2014-09-13 22:13 ` [PATCH 20/34] resize2fs: adjust reserved_gdt_blocks when changing group descriptor size Darrick J. Wong
2014-09-13 22:13 ` [PATCH 21/34] tests: test resize2fs 32->64 and 64->32bit conversion code Darrick J. Wong
2014-09-13 22:13 ` [PATCH 22/34] libext2fs: find inode goal when allocating blocks Darrick J. Wong
2014-09-13 22:13 ` [PATCH 23/34] libext2fs: find/alloc a range of empty blocks Darrick J. Wong
2014-09-13 22:13 ` [PATCH 24/34] libext2fs: add new hooks to support large allocations Darrick J. Wong
2014-09-13 22:14 ` [PATCH 25/34] libext2fs: implement fallocate Darrick J. Wong
2014-09-13 22:14 ` [PATCH 26/34] libext2fs: use fallocate for creating journals and hugefiles Darrick J. Wong
2014-09-13 22:14 ` [PATCH 27/34] debugfs: implement fallocate Darrick J. Wong
2014-09-13 22:14 ` [PATCH 28/34] tests: test debugfs punch command Darrick J. Wong
2014-09-19 16:26   ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-09-19 20:01     ` Darrick J. Wong
2014-09-13 22:14 ` [PATCH 30/34] fuse2fs: translate ACL structures Darrick J. Wong
2014-09-13 22:14 ` [PATCH 31/34] fuse2fs: handle 64-bit dates correctly Darrick J. Wong
2014-09-13 22:14 ` [PATCH 32/34] fuse2fs: implement fallocate Darrick J. Wong
2014-09-13 22:15 ` [PATCH 34/34] tests: enable using fuse2fs with metadata checksum test Darrick J. Wong
2014-09-14 17:19 ` [PATCH 35/34] e2fsck: free bh when descriptor block checksum fails Darrick J. Wong
2014-09-14 19:11   ` Eric Sandeen
2014-09-19  1:46     ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-09-18 19:09 ` [PATCH 36/34] misc: fix Coverity complaints Darrick J. Wong
2014-09-19  1:47   ` Theodore Ts'o

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