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From: Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>
To: Andreas Dilger <adilger@dilger.ca>
Cc: "Darrick J. Wong" <darrick.wong@oracle.com>,
	"linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org" <linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 10/35] undo-io: add new calls to and speed up the undo io manager
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2015 11:00:12 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150421150012.GI3238@thunk.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <B42FC5F2-8E81-4F2F-B16C-4029EC8DC0EC@dilger.ca>

On Wed, Apr 01, 2015 at 11:06:11PM -0500, Andreas Dilger wrote:
> Doesn't it kind of make e2undo useless if it doesn't work unless
> the overwriting operation completed successfully?
> 
> Wouldn't it be better to save the superblock at the start, so that
> it is available if the overwriting operation is interrupted?  It seems
> like e2undo would be most useful if e.g. resize2fs was interrupted in
> the middle of some otherwise-corrupting change to the
> filesystem.

It would be nice if e2fsck's undo log worked correctly after a
powerfailure, but having to constantly call fsync to keep the undo log
consistent probably isn't work it.

However, if the user types ^C, or e2fsck crashes out with a call to
fatal_error(), we *should* make sure the undo log is in a proper state
so it can be replied.

Alternatively, what we *could* do is to implement a write-ahead log
where all of the modified blocks go into separate file, and then the
file system only gets modified at the end, if e2fsck finishes
correctly (or if the user types ^C, we can ask the user if he/she
wants to apply the changes made so far).  I could imagine this being
useful in some cases, but I'm not entirely clear it's worth the effort
to implement.  (And we can always do that later, we shouldn't let the
perfect be the enemy of the good.)

						- Ted


  reply	other threads:[~2015-04-21 15:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-04-02  2:34 [PATCH 00/35] e2fsprogs April 2015 patchbomb Darrick J. Wong
2015-04-02  2:34 ` [PATCH 01/35] e2fuzz: fuzz harder Darrick J. Wong
2015-04-21  1:47   ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-04-02  2:34 ` [PATCH 02/35] e2fsck: turn inline data symlink into a fast symlink when possible Darrick J. Wong
2015-04-21  1:47   ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-04-02  2:34 ` [PATCH 03/35] libext2fs/e2fsck: provide routines to read-ahead metadata Darrick J. Wong
2015-04-21  3:03   ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-04-02  2:34 ` [PATCH 04/35] e2fsck: read-ahead metadata during passes 1, 2, and 4 Darrick J. Wong
2015-04-21  3:03   ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-04-02  2:34 ` [PATCH 05/35] e2fsck: track directories to be rehashed with a bitmap Darrick J. Wong
2015-04-21  2:26   ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-04-21  4:43     ` Darrick J. Wong
2015-04-21 14:06       ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-04-02  2:34 ` [PATCH 06/35] e2fsck: rebuild sparse extent trees/convert non-extent ext3 files Darrick J. Wong
2015-04-21 16:33   ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-04-02  2:34 ` [PATCH 07/35] e2fsck: convert block-mapped files to extents on bigalloc fs Darrick J. Wong
2015-04-21 14:36   ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-05-05 22:45     ` Darrick J. Wong
2015-04-02  2:34 ` [PATCH 08/35] tests: verify proper rebuilding of sparse extent trees and block map file conversion Darrick J. Wong
2015-04-21 14:47   ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-04-02  2:35 ` [PATCH 09/35] e2fsck: abort on read error beyond end of FS Darrick J. Wong
2015-04-02  4:10   ` Andreas Dilger
     [not found]     ` <20150402060021.GP11031@birch.djwong.org>
     [not found]       ` <10D33B1F-52B7-4242-9A67-FB9E1CE75296@dilger.ca>
2015-04-06 18:57         ` Darrick J. Wong
2015-04-02  2:35 ` [PATCH 10/35] undo-io: add new calls to and speed up the undo io manager Darrick J. Wong
2015-04-02  4:06   ` Andreas Dilger
2015-04-21 15:00     ` Theodore Ts'o [this message]
2015-04-21 16:48       ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-04-22  2:47         ` Darrick J. Wong
2015-05-05 14:20   ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-04-02  2:35 ` [PATCH 11/35] undo-io: be more flexible about setting block size Darrick J. Wong
2015-05-05 14:21   ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-04-02  2:35 ` [PATCH 12/35] undo-io: use a bitmap to track what we've already written Darrick J. Wong
2015-05-05 14:21   ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-04-02  2:35 ` [PATCH 13/35] e2undo: fix memory leaks and tweak the error messages somewhat Darrick J. Wong
2015-05-05 14:22   ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-04-02  2:35 ` [PATCH 14/35] e2undo: ditch tdb file, write everything to a flat file Darrick J. Wong
2015-05-05 14:24   ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-04-02  2:35 ` [PATCH 15/35] libext2fs: support atexit cleanups Darrick J. Wong
2015-05-05 14:31   ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-04-02  2:35 ` [PATCH 16/35] e2fsck: optionally create an undo file Darrick J. Wong
2015-05-05 14:07   ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-04-02  2:35 ` [PATCH 17/35] resize2fs: optionally create " Darrick J. Wong
2015-05-05 14:36   ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-04-02  2:35 ` [PATCH 18/35] tune2fs: " Darrick J. Wong
2015-05-05 14:36   ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-04-02  2:36 ` [PATCH 19/35] mke2fs: " Darrick J. Wong
2015-05-05 14:37   ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-04-02  2:36 ` [PATCH 20/35] debugfs: " Darrick J. Wong
2015-05-05 14:43   ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-04-02  2:36 ` [PATCH 21/35] tests: test undo file creation in e2fsck/resize2fs/tune2fs/mke2fs Darrick J. Wong
2015-05-05 14:43   ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-04-02  2:36 ` [PATCH 22/35] tests: test various features of the new e2undo format Darrick J. Wong
2015-05-05 14:44   ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-04-02  2:36 ` [PATCH 23/35] copy-in: create hardlinks with the correct directory filetype Darrick J. Wong
2015-05-05 14:46   ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-04-02  2:36 ` [PATCH 24/35] copy-in: for files, only iterate file blocks that are mapped Darrick J. Wong
2015-05-05 14:49   ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-04-02  2:36 ` [PATCH 25/35] copyin: fix error handling Darrick J. Wong
2015-05-05 14:51   ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-04-02  2:36 ` [PATCH 26/35] mke2fs: add simple tests and re-alphabetize mke2fs manpage options Darrick J. Wong
2015-05-05 14:52   ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-04-02  2:37 ` [PATCH 27/35] contrib: script to create minified ext4 image from a directory Darrick J. Wong
2015-05-05 14:52   ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-04-02  2:37 ` [PATCH 28/35] libext2fs: support allocating uninit blocks in bmap2() Darrick J. Wong
2015-04-02  2:37 ` [PATCH 29/35] libext2fs: find/alloc a range of empty blocks Darrick J. Wong
2015-04-02  2:37 ` [PATCH 30/35] libext2fs: add new hooks to support large allocations Darrick J. Wong
2015-04-02  2:37 ` [PATCH 31/35] libext2fs: implement fallocate Darrick J. Wong
2015-04-02  2:37 ` [PATCH 32/35] libext2fs: use fallocate for creating journals and hugefiles Darrick J. Wong
2015-04-02  2:37 ` [PATCH 33/35] debugfs: implement fallocate Darrick J. Wong
2015-04-02  2:37 ` [PATCH 34/35] tests: test debugfs punch command Darrick J. Wong

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