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From: Dave Chinner <david-FqsqvQoI3Ljby3iVrkZq2A@public.gmane.org>
To: Theodore Ts'o <tytso-3s7WtUTddSA@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>,
	torvalds-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org,
	Dmitry Monakhov
	<dmonlist-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	Ext4 Developers List
	<linux-ext4-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-fsdevel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-api-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: O_DIRECT as a hint, was: Re: [PATCH] ext4: refuse O_DIRECT opens for mode where DIO doesn't work
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 13:37:46 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160427033746.GL18496@dastard> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160427032526.GC30021-AKGzg7BKzIDYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org>

On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 11:25:26PM -0400, Theodore Ts'o wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 12:27:46PM +1000, Dave Chinner wrote:
> > > At this point I wonder if we should simply treat O_DIRECT as a hint
> > > and always allow it, and just let the file system optimize for it
> > > (skip buffering, require alignment, relaxed Posix atomicy requirements)
> > > if it is set.
> > 
> > I thought that's how most filesystems treated it, anyway. i.e.
> > anything they can't do via direct IO, they fell back to buffered IO
> > to complete (e.g. for allocation or append writes, etc). Hence why I
> > suggested the fallback rather than erroring out....
> 
> No, some file systems return EINVAL on the open.  In fact that's what
> the _require_odirect test in xfstests relies upon....

Sure, but that doesn't change the fact that many of the filesystems
that "support O_DIRECT" don't always do O_DIRECT - they
transparently do buffered IO instead and hence are treating O_DIRECT
as a hint once the file has been opened.

Cheers,

Dave.
-- 
Dave Chinner
david-FqsqvQoI3Ljby3iVrkZq2A@public.gmane.org

      parent reply	other threads:[~2016-04-27  3:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-04-24  4:27 [PATCH] ext4: refuse O_DIRECT opens for mode where DIO doesn't work Theodore Ts'o
2016-04-25  9:35 ` Dmitry Monakhov
2016-04-25 23:49   ` Dave Chinner
2016-04-26  0:20     ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-04-26  8:14     ` O_DIRECT as a hint, was: " Christoph Hellwig
2016-04-26 15:07       ` Mike Marshall
     [not found]       ` <20160426081451.GA25616-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-27  2:16         ` Theodore Ts'o
     [not found]           ` <20160427021649.GA30021-AKGzg7BKzIDYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-27  2:22             ` Eric Sandeen
2016-04-27  2:25           ` Dave Chinner
2016-04-27  2:27         ` Dave Chinner
2016-04-27  3:25           ` Theodore Ts'o
     [not found]             ` <20160427032526.GC30021-AKGzg7BKzIDYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-27  3:37               ` Dave Chinner [this message]

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