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From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
To: Boaz Harrosh <boaz@plexistor.com>
Cc: Vishal Verma <vishal.l.verma@intel.com>,
	linux-nvdimm@ml01.01.org, Jens Axboe <axboe@fb.com>,
	Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Matthew Wilcox <matthew@wil.cx>,
	Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, xfs@oss.sgi.com,
	linux-block@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 5/7] fs: prioritize and separate direct_io from dax_io
Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 07:24:33 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160505142433.GA4557@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5727753F.6090104@plexistor.com>

On Mon, May 02, 2016 at 06:41:51PM +0300, Boaz Harrosh wrote:
> > All IO in a dax filesystem used to go through dax_do_io, which cannot
> > handle media errors, and thus cannot provide a recovery path that can
> > send a write through the driver to clear errors.
> > 
> > Add a new iocb flag for DAX, and set it only for DAX mounts. In the IO
> > path for DAX filesystems, use the same direct_IO path for both DAX and
> > direct_io iocbs, but use the flags to identify when we are in O_DIRECT
> > mode vs non O_DIRECT with DAX, and for O_DIRECT, use the conventional
> > direct_IO path instead of DAX.
> > 
> 
> Really? What are your thinking here?
> 
> What about all the current users of O_DIRECT, you have just made them
> 4 times slower and "less concurrent*" then "buffred io" users. Since
> direct_IO path will queue an IO request and all.
> (And if it is not so slow then why do we need dax_do_io at all? [Rhetorical])
> 
> I hate it that you overload the semantics of a known and expected
> O_DIRECT flag, for special pmem quirks. This is an incompatible
> and unrelated overload of the semantics of O_DIRECT.

Agreed - makig O_DIRECT less direct than not having it is plain stupid,
and I somehow missed this initially.

This whole DAX story turns into a major nightmare, and I fear all our
hodge podge tweaks to the semantics aren't helping it.

It seems like we simply need an explicit O_DAX for the read/write
bypass if can't sort out the semantics (error, writer synchronization)
just as we need a special flag for MMAP..

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-05-05 14:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-04-28 21:16 [PATCH v4 0/7] dax: handling media errors Vishal Verma
2016-04-28 21:16 ` [PATCH v4 1/7] block, dax: pass blk_dax_ctl through to drivers Vishal Verma
2016-04-28 21:16 ` [PATCH v4 2/7] dax: fallback from pmd to pte on error Vishal Verma
2016-04-28 21:16 ` [PATCH v4 3/7] dax: enable dax in the presence of known media errors (badblocks) Vishal Verma
2016-04-28 21:16 ` [PATCH v4 4/7] dax: use sb_issue_zerout instead of calling dax_clear_sectors Vishal Verma
2016-04-28 21:16 ` [PATCH v4 5/7] fs: prioritize and separate direct_io from dax_io Vishal Verma
2016-05-02 14:56   ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-05-02 15:45     ` Vishal Verma
2016-05-02 15:41   ` Boaz Harrosh
2016-05-02 15:51     ` Vishal Verma
2016-05-02 16:03       ` Boaz Harrosh
2016-05-02 18:52         ` Verma, Vishal L
2016-05-02 16:01     ` Dan Williams
2016-05-02 16:22       ` Boaz Harrosh
2016-05-02 16:49         ` Dan Williams
2016-05-02 17:44           ` Boaz Harrosh
2016-05-02 18:10             ` Dan Williams
2016-05-02 18:32               ` Boaz Harrosh
2016-05-02 18:48                 ` Dan Williams
2016-05-02 19:22                   ` Boaz Harrosh
2016-05-05 14:24     ` Christoph Hellwig [this message]
2016-05-05 15:15       ` Dan Williams
2016-05-05 15:22         ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-05-05 16:24           ` Dan Williams
2016-05-05 21:45           ` Verma, Vishal L
2016-05-08  9:01             ` hch
2016-05-08 18:42               ` Verma, Vishal L
2016-05-05 21:42         ` Verma, Vishal L
2016-05-05 21:39       ` Verma, Vishal L
2016-05-08  9:01         ` hch
2016-04-28 21:16 ` [PATCH v4 6/7] dax: for truncate/hole-punch, do zeroing through the driver if possible Vishal Verma
2016-04-28 21:16 ` [PATCH v4 7/7] dax: fix a comment in dax_zero_page_range and dax_truncate_page Vishal Verma
2016-04-29 21:55 ` [PATCH v4 8/7] Documentation: add error handling information to dax.txt Vishal Verma

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