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From: Eric Biggers <ebiggers3@gmail.com>
To: Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>
Cc: Ext4 Developers List <linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andreas Dilger <adilger@dilger.ca>,
	linux-fscrypt@vger.kernel.org, Jaegeuk Kim <jaegeuk@kernel.org>,
	Eric Biggers <ebiggers@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] ext4: inherit encryption xattr before other xattrs
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 11:52:28 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170501185228.GA30027@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170227213637.GA123733@gmail.com>

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 01:36:37PM -0800, Eric Biggers wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 01:28:28PM -0700, Andreas Dilger wrote:
> > On Feb 17, 2017, at 4:33 PM, Eric Biggers <ebiggers3@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > From: Eric Biggers <ebiggers@google.com>
> > > 
> > > When using both encryption and SELinux (or another feature that requires
> > > an xattr per file) on a filesystem with 256-byte inodes, each file's
> > > xattrs usually spill into an external xattr block.  Currently, the
> > > xattrs are inherited in the order ACL, security, then encryption.
> > > Therefore, if spillage occurs, the encryption xattr will always end up
> > > in the external block.  This is not ideal because the encryption xattrs
> > > contain a nonce, so they will always be unique and will prevent the
> > > external xattr blocks from being deduplicated.
> > > 
> > > To improve the situation, change the inheritance order to encryption,
> > > ACL, then security.  This gives the encryption xattr a better chance to
> > > be stored in-inode, allowing the other xattr(s) to be deduplicated.
> > > 
> > > Note that it may be better for userspace to format the filesystem with
> > > 512-byte inodes in this case.  However, it's not the default.
> > > 
> > > Signed-off-by: Eric Biggers <ebiggers@google.com>
> > 
> > Reviewed-by: Andreas Dilger <adilger@dilger.ca>
> > 
> > Note that we've been using 512-byte xattrs for Lustre metadata servers
> > for ages.  We may want to consider enabling this by default when the
> > filesystem features are set (e.g. crypto, inline data, etc).
> > 
> > Having a general mechanism to bias xattrs to in-inode or external xattr
> > storage would be nice also, but I don't know any way to do this beyond
> > just having a list of xattr names and then prioritizing the ones that
> > go into the in-inode space.
> > 
> 
> I think it's a good idea to have mke2fs default to 512-byte inodes if
> '-O inline_data' is specified.  But with '-O encrypt' it may be more debatable
> because there is no guarantee as to how many files userspace will actually
> choose to encrypt.  It could be almost the whole filesystem, or just a few
> files, or even nothing at all.
> 
> Regardless, I think adjusting the xattr inheritance order (as this patch does)
> has advantages but no real disadvantages, so it might as well be done too.
> 
> Eric

Ted, this patch seems to have gotten missed; are you planning to apply it?  Next
cycle is fine too, but I'd like to get it in sometime.

- Eric

  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-05-01 18:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 6+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-02-17 23:33 [PATCH] ext4: inherit encryption xattr before other xattrs Eric Biggers
2017-02-27 20:28 ` Andreas Dilger
2017-02-27 21:36   ` Eric Biggers
2017-02-27 22:20     ` Andreas Dilger
2017-05-01 18:52     ` Eric Biggers [this message]
2017-05-02  5:28       ` Theodore Ts'o

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