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From: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
To: Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org>
Cc: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 19/19] fs: handle inode->i_version more efficiently
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2017 10:29:47 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20171219092947.GC2277@quack2.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1513617740.3422.30.camel@kernel.org>

On Mon 18-12-17 12:22:20, Jeff Layton wrote:
> On Mon, 2017-12-18 at 17:34 +0100, Jan Kara wrote:
> > On Mon 18-12-17 10:11:56, Jeff Layton wrote:
> > >  static inline bool
> > >  inode_maybe_inc_iversion(struct inode *inode, bool force)
> > >  {
> > > -	atomic64_t *ivp = (atomic64_t *)&inode->i_version;
> > > +	u64 cur, old, new;
> > >  
> > > -	atomic64_inc(ivp);
> > > +	cur = (u64)atomic64_read(&inode->i_version);
> > > +	for (;;) {
> > > +		/* If flag is clear then we needn't do anything */
> > > +		if (!force && !(cur & I_VERSION_QUERIED))
> > > +			return false;
> > 
> > The fast path here misses any memory barrier. Thus it seems this query
> > could be in theory reordered before any store that happened to modify the
> > inode? Or maybe we could race and miss the fact that in fact this i_version
> > has already been queried? But maybe there's some higher level locking that
> > makes sure this is all a non-issue... But in that case it would deserve
> > some comment I guess.
> > 
> 
> There's no higher-level locking. Getting locking out of this codepath is
> a good thing IMO. The larger question here is whether we really care
> about ordering this with anything else.
> 
> The i_version, as implemented today, is not ordered with actual changes
> to the inode. We only take the i_lock today when modifying it, not when
> querying it. It's possible today that you could see the results of a
> change and then do a fetch of the i_version that doesn't show an
> increment vs. a previous change.

Yeah, so I don't suggest that you should fix unrelated issues but original
i_lock protection did actually provide memory barriers (although
semi-permeable, but in practice they are very often enough) and your patch
removing those could have changed a theoretical issue to a practical
problem. So at least preserving that original acquire-release semantics
of i_version handling would be IMHO good.

> It'd be nice if this were atomic with the actual changes that it
> represents, but I think that would be prohibitively expensive. That may
> be something we need to address. I'm not sure we really want to do it as
> part of this patchset though.
> 
> > > +
> > > +		/* Since lowest bit is flag, add 2 to avoid it */
> > > +		new = (cur & ~I_VERSION_QUERIED) + I_VERSION_INCREMENT;
> > > +
> > > +		old = atomic64_cmpxchg(&inode->i_version, cur, new);
> > > +		if (likely(old == cur))
> > > +			break;
> > > +		cur = old;
> > > +	}
> > >  	return true;
> > >  }
> > >  
> > 
> > ...
> > 
> > >  static inline u64
> > >  inode_query_iversion(struct inode *inode)
> > >  {
> > > -	return inode_peek_iversion(inode);
> > > +	u64 cur, old, new;
> > > +
> > > +	cur = atomic64_read(&inode->i_version);
> > > +	for (;;) {
> > > +		/* If flag is already set, then no need to swap */
> > > +		if (cur & I_VERSION_QUERIED)
> > > +			break;
> > > +
> > > +		new = cur | I_VERSION_QUERIED;
> > > +		old = atomic64_cmpxchg(&inode->i_version, cur, new);
> > > +		if (old == cur)
> > > +			break;
> > > +		cur = old;
> > > +	}
> > 
> > Why not just use atomic64_or() here?
> > 
> 
> If the cmpxchg fails, then either:
> 
> 1) it was incremented
> 2) someone flagged it QUERIED
> 
> If an increment happened then we don't need to flag it as QUERIED if
> we're returning an older value. If we use atomic64_or, then we can't
> tell if an increment happened so we'd end up potentially flagging it
> more than necessary.
> 
> In principle, either outcome is technically OK and we don't have to loop
> if the cmpxchg doesn't work. That said, if we think there might be a
> later i_version available, then I think we probably want to try to query
> it again so we can return as late a one as possible.

OK, makes sense. I'm just a bit vary of cmpxchg loops as they tend to
behave pretty badly in contended cases but I guess i_version won't be
hammered *that* hard.

								Honza
-- 
Jan Kara <jack@suse.com>
SUSE Labs, CR

  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-12-19  9:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-12-18 15:11 [PATCH v3 00/19] fs: rework and optimize i_version handling in filesystems Jeff Layton
2017-12-18 15:11 ` [PATCH v3 01/19] fs: new API for handling inode->i_version Jeff Layton
2017-12-18 17:46   ` Jeff Layton
2017-12-18 15:11 ` [PATCH v3 02/19] fs: don't take the i_lock in inode_inc_iversion Jeff Layton
2017-12-18 15:11 ` [PATCH v3 03/19] fat: convert to new i_version API Jeff Layton
2017-12-18 15:11 ` [PATCH v3 04/19] affs: " Jeff Layton
2017-12-18 15:11 ` [PATCH v3 05/19] afs: " Jeff Layton
     [not found] ` <20171218151156.14565-1-jlayton-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2017-12-18 15:11   ` [PATCH v3 06/19] btrfs: " Jeff Layton
2017-12-18 15:11   ` [PATCH v3 12/19] ocfs2: " Jeff Layton
2017-12-18 15:11   ` [PATCH v3 15/19] IMA: switch IMA over " Jeff Layton
2017-12-18 15:11 ` [PATCH v3 07/19] exofs: switch " Jeff Layton
2017-12-18 15:11 ` [PATCH v3 08/19] ext2: convert " Jeff Layton
2017-12-18 15:11 ` [PATCH v3 09/19] ext4: " Jeff Layton
2017-12-18 15:11 ` [PATCH v3 10/19] nfs: " Jeff Layton
2017-12-18 15:11 ` [PATCH v3 11/19] nfsd: " Jeff Layton
2017-12-18 15:11 ` [PATCH v3 13/19] ufs: use " Jeff Layton
2017-12-18 15:11 ` [PATCH v3 14/19] xfs: convert to " Jeff Layton
2017-12-18 15:11 ` [PATCH v3 16/19] fs: only set S_VERSION when updating times if necessary Jeff Layton
     [not found]   ` <20171218151156.14565-17-jlayton-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2017-12-18 16:07     ` Jan Kara
2017-12-18 17:25       ` Jeff Layton
2017-12-18 15:11 ` [PATCH v3 17/19] xfs: avoid setting XFS_ILOG_CORE if i_version doesn't need incrementing Jeff Layton
2017-12-18 15:11 ` [PATCH v3 18/19] btrfs: only dirty the inode in btrfs_update_time if something was changed Jeff Layton
2017-12-18 15:11 ` [PATCH v3 19/19] fs: handle inode->i_version more efficiently Jeff Layton
2017-12-18 16:34   ` Jan Kara
2017-12-18 17:22     ` Jeff Layton
2017-12-18 17:36       ` J. Bruce Fields
2017-12-18 19:35         ` Jeff Layton
2017-12-18 22:07           ` Dave Chinner
2017-12-20 14:03             ` Jeff Layton
     [not found]               ` <1513778586.4513.18.camel-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2017-12-20 16:41                 ` Jan Kara
     [not found]                   ` <20171220164150.GF31584-4I4JzKEfoa/jFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2017-12-21 11:25                     ` Jeff Layton
2017-12-21 11:48                       ` Jan Kara
2017-12-19  9:29       ` Jan Kara [this message]
     [not found]         ` <20171219092947.GC2277-4I4JzKEfoa/jFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2017-12-19 17:14           ` Jeff Layton

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