From: Eric Biggers <ebiggers@kernel.org>
To: Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>
Cc: linux-fscrypt@vger.kernel.org, linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org,
linux-f2fs-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-api@vger.kernel.org,
linux-integrity@vger.kernel.org, Jaegeuk Kim <jaegeuk@kernel.org>,
Victor Hsieh <victorhsieh@google.com>,
Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
"Darrick J . Wong" <darrick.wong@oracle.com>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 14/16] ext4: add basic fs-verity support
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 16:41:34 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190618234133.GL184520@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190618224615.GB4576@mit.edu>
On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 06:46:15PM -0400, Theodore Ts'o wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 10:51:18AM -0700, Eric Biggers wrote:
> > On Sat, Jun 15, 2019 at 11:31:12AM -0400, Theodore Ts'o wrote:
> > > On Thu, Jun 06, 2019 at 08:52:03AM -0700, Eric Biggers wrote:
> > > > +/*
> > > > + * Format of ext4 verity xattr. This points to the location of the verity
> > > > + * descriptor within the file data rather than containing it directly because
> > > > + * the verity descriptor *must* be encrypted when ext4 encryption is used. But,
> > > > + * ext4 encryption does not encrypt xattrs.
> > > > + */
> > > > +struct fsverity_descriptor_location {
> > > > + __le32 version;
> > > > + __le32 size;
> > > > + __le64 pos;
> > > > +};
> > >
> > > What's the benefit of storing the location in an xattr as opposed to
> > > just keying it off the end of i_size, rounded up to next page size (or
> > > 64k) as I had suggested earlier?
> > >
> > > Using an xattr burns xattr space, which is a limited resource, and it
> > > adds some additional code complexity. Does the benefits outweigh the
> > > added complexity?
> > >
> > > - Ted
> >
> > It means that only the fs/verity/ support layer has to be aware of the format of
> > the fsverity_descriptor, and the filesystem can just treat it an as opaque blob.
> >
> > Otherwise the filesystem would need to read the first 'sizeof(struct
> > fsverity_descriptor)' bytes and use those to calculate the size as
> > 'sizeof(struct fsverity_descriptor) + le32_to_cpu(desc.sig_size)', then read the
> > rest. Is this what you have in mind?
>
> So right now, the way enable_verity() works is that it appends the
> Merkle tree to the data file, rounding up to the next page (but we
> might change so we round up to the next 64k boundary). Then it calls
> end_enable_verity(), which is a file system specific function, passing
> in the descriptor and the descriptor size.
>
> Today ext4 and f2fs appends the descriptor after the Merkle, and then
> sets the xattr containing the fsverity_descriptor_location. Correct?
That's all correct, except that enable_verity() itself doesn't know or care that
the Merkle tree is being appended to the file. That's up to the
->write_merkle_tree_block() and ->read_merkle_tree_page() methods which are
filesystem-specific.
>
> What I'm suggesting that ext4 do instead is that it appends the
> descriptor to the Merkle tree, and then assuming that there is the
> (descriptor size % block_size) is less than PAGE_SIZE-4, we can write
> the descriptor size into the last 4 bytes of the last block in the
> file. If there is not enough space at the end of the descriptor, then
> we append a block to the file, and then write the descriptor_size into
> last 4 bytes of that block.
>
> When ext4 needs to find the descriptor, it simply reads the last block
> from the file, reads it into the page cache, reads the last 4 bytes
> from that block to fetch the descriptor size, and it can use the
> logical offset of the last block and the descriptor size to calculate
> the beginning offset of the descriptor size.
>
> We can then fake up the fsverity_descriptor_location structure, and
> pass that into fsverity.
>
> It does add a bit of extra complexity, but 99.9% of the time, it
> requires no extra space. The last 0.098% of the time, the file size
> will grow by 4k, but if we can avoid spilling over to an external
> xattr block, it will all be worth it.
>
> And in the V1 version of the fsverity code, I had already written the
> code to descend the extent tree to find the last logical block in the
> extent tree.
>
I don't think your proposed solution is so simple. By definition the last
extent ends on a filesystem block boundary, while the Merkle tree ends on a
Merkle tree block boundary. In the future we might support the case where these
differ, so we don't want to preclude that in the on-disk format we choose now.
Therefore, just storing the desc_size isn't enough; we'd actually have to store
(desc_pos, desc_size), like I'm doing in the xattr.
Also, using ext4_find_extent() to find the last mapped block (as the v1 and v2
patchsets did) assumes the file actually uses extents. So we'd have to forbid
non-extents based files as a special case, as the v2 patchset did. We'd also
have to find a way to implement the same functionality on f2fs (which should be
possible, but it seems it would require some new code; there's nothing like
f2fs_get_extent()) unless we did something different for f2fs.
Note that on Android devices (the motivating use case for fs-verity), the xattrs
of user data files on ext4 already spill into an external xattr block, due to
the fscrypt and SELinux xattrs. If/when people actually start caring about
this, they'll need to increase the inode size to 512 bytes anyway, in which case
there will be plenty of space for a few more in-line xattrs. So I don't think
we should jump through too many hoops to avoid using an xattr.
> > It's also somewhat nice to have the version number in the xattr, in case we ever
> > introduce a new fs-verity format for ext4 or f2fs.
>
> We already have a version number in the fsverity descriptor. Surely
> that is what we would bump if we need to itnroduce a new fs-verity
> format?
>
I'm talking about if we ever wanted to make a filesystem-specific change to
where the verity metadata is stored. That's what the version number in the
filesystem-specific xattr is for. The version number in the fsverity_descriptor
is different: that's for if we made a change to fs-verity for *all* filesystems.
We hopefully won't ever need the filesystem-specific version number, but as long
as we have to store the (desc_pos, desc_size) anyway, I think it's wise to add a
version number just in case; it doesn't really cost anything.
- Eric
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2019-06-18 23:41 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2019-06-06 15:51 [PATCH v4 00/16] fs-verity: read-only file-based authenticity protection Eric Biggers
2019-06-06 15:51 ` [PATCH v4 01/16] fs-verity: add a documentation file Eric Biggers
2019-06-15 12:39 ` Theodore Ts'o
2019-06-18 16:31 ` Eric Biggers
2019-06-06 15:51 ` [PATCH v4 02/16] fs-verity: add MAINTAINERS file entry Eric Biggers
2019-06-15 12:39 ` Theodore Ts'o
2019-06-06 15:51 ` [PATCH v4 03/16] fs-verity: add UAPI header Eric Biggers
2019-06-06 15:51 ` [PATCH v4 04/16] fs: uapi: define verity bit for FS_IOC_GETFLAGS Eric Biggers
2019-06-15 12:40 ` Theodore Ts'o
2019-06-06 15:51 ` [PATCH v4 05/16] fs-verity: add Kconfig and the helper functions for hashing Eric Biggers
2019-06-15 12:57 ` Theodore Ts'o
2019-06-18 16:32 ` Eric Biggers
2019-06-06 15:51 ` [PATCH v4 06/16] fs-verity: add inode and superblock fields Eric Biggers
2019-06-15 12:57 ` Theodore Ts'o
2019-06-06 15:51 ` [PATCH v4 07/16] fs-verity: add the hook for file ->open() Eric Biggers
2019-06-15 14:42 ` Theodore Ts'o
2019-06-18 16:35 ` Eric Biggers
2019-06-06 15:51 ` [PATCH v4 08/16] fs-verity: add the hook for file ->setattr() Eric Biggers
2019-06-15 14:43 ` Theodore Ts'o
2019-06-06 15:51 ` [PATCH v4 09/16] fs-verity: add data verification hooks for ->readpages() Eric Biggers
2019-06-15 14:48 ` Theodore Ts'o
2019-06-06 15:51 ` [PATCH v4 10/16] fs-verity: implement FS_IOC_ENABLE_VERITY ioctl Eric Biggers
2019-06-15 15:08 ` Theodore Ts'o
2019-06-18 16:50 ` Eric Biggers
2019-06-06 15:52 ` [PATCH v4 11/16] fs-verity: implement FS_IOC_MEASURE_VERITY ioctl Eric Biggers
2019-06-15 15:10 ` Theodore Ts'o
2019-06-06 15:52 ` [PATCH v4 12/16] fs-verity: add SHA-512 support Eric Biggers
2019-06-15 15:11 ` Theodore Ts'o
2019-06-06 15:52 ` [PATCH v4 13/16] fs-verity: support builtin file signatures Eric Biggers
2019-06-15 15:21 ` Theodore Ts'o
2019-06-18 16:58 ` Eric Biggers
2019-06-06 15:52 ` [PATCH v4 14/16] ext4: add basic fs-verity support Eric Biggers
2019-06-15 15:31 ` Theodore Ts'o
2019-06-18 17:51 ` Eric Biggers
2019-06-18 22:46 ` Theodore Ts'o
2019-06-18 23:41 ` Eric Biggers [this message]
2019-06-19 3:05 ` Theodore Ts'o
2019-06-19 19:13 ` Eric Biggers
2019-06-06 15:52 ` [PATCH v4 15/16] ext4: add fs-verity read support Eric Biggers
2019-06-06 15:52 ` [PATCH v4 16/16] f2fs: add fs-verity support Eric Biggers
2019-06-06 17:21 ` [PATCH v4 00/16] fs-verity: read-only file-based authenticity protection Linus Torvalds
2019-06-06 19:43 ` Eric Biggers
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