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From: "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>
To: Pankaj Raghav <kernel@pankajraghav.com>
Cc: libaokun@huaweicloud.com, linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org,
	adilger.kernel@dilger.ca, jack@suse.cz,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mcgrof@kernel.org,
	ebiggers@kernel.org, willy@infradead.org, yi.zhang@huawei.com,
	yangerkun@huawei.com, chengzhihao1@huawei.com,
	libaokun1@huawei.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 24/24] ext4: enable block size larger than page size
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2025 10:23:37 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20251110152337.GF2988753@mit.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <52401c3a-26aa-473f-b7e2-1c658550dd37@pankajraghav.com>

On Mon, Nov 10, 2025 at 01:51:28PM +0100, Pankaj Raghav wrote:
> 
> Are you adding the experimental flag because allocation failures can occur with
> LBS configuration or because it is a new feature (or both)?

I'm going to guess that it was added to mirror what XFS did.

I'll note that this is generally not the pattern for ext4, where we
tend to put these warnings in mke2fs/mkfs.ext4, and by not enabling
them by default.  We haven't historically put them as a warning printk
because I don't believe most users read dmesg output.  :-)

When we've wanted to put some kind of warning or disclaimer in the
kernel, my bias has been to add some kind of Kconfig feature flag,
say, "CONFIG_FS_LARGE_BLOCKSIZE" or "CONFIG_EXT4_LARGE_BLOCKSIZE"
which can either have a warning of its experimental nature in the
config descrption, or if it's *reallY* on the edge (not in this case,
in my opinion) by putting an explicit dependency on
CONFIG_EXPERIMENTAL.

I will admit that most users don't read the Kconfig help text, since
most uesrs aren't even compiling their own kernels :-), but it does
allow for more description of why it might be considered
"experimental" for distribution engineers, and it's less disruptive
when we inevitably forget to remove the experimental warning.  :-)

That being said, this is a personal preference sort of thing, and
people of good will can disagree about what's the best way to approach
this sort of warning.

Cheers,

						- Ted

P.S.  I'm happy not having any kind of experimental warning for bs >
ps, since users would have to affirmatively request a 64k blocksize in
mkfs, and most users don't override the default when creating file
systems, so I assume that people who do so Know What They Are Doing.

  reply	other threads:[~2025-11-10 15:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-11-07 14:42 [PATCH v2 00/24] ext4: enable block size larger than page size libaokun
2025-11-07 14:42 ` [PATCH v2 01/24] ext4: remove page offset calculation in ext4_block_zero_page_range() libaokun
2025-11-07 14:42 ` [PATCH v2 02/24] ext4: remove page offset calculation in ext4_block_truncate_page() libaokun
2025-11-07 14:42 ` [PATCH v2 03/24] ext4: remove PAGE_SIZE checks for rec_len conversion libaokun
2025-11-07 14:42 ` [PATCH v2 04/24] ext4: make ext4_punch_hole() support large block size libaokun
2025-11-10  9:35   ` Jan Kara
2025-11-07 14:42 ` [PATCH v2 05/24] ext4: enable DIOREAD_NOLOCK by default for BS > PS as well libaokun
2025-11-07 14:42 ` [PATCH v2 06/24] ext4: introduce s_min_folio_order for future BS > PS support libaokun
2025-11-10 12:09   ` Pankaj Raghav
2025-11-07 14:42 ` [PATCH v2 07/24] ext4: support large block size in ext4_calculate_overhead() libaokun
2025-11-10  9:36   ` Jan Kara
2025-11-07 14:42 ` [PATCH v2 08/24] ext4: support large block size in ext4_readdir() libaokun
2025-11-10 12:26   ` Pankaj Raghav
2025-11-10 13:53     ` Baokun Li
2025-11-07 14:42 ` [PATCH v2 09/24] ext4: add EXT4_LBLK_TO_B macro for logical block to bytes conversion libaokun
2025-11-07 14:42 ` [PATCH v2 10/24] ext4: add EXT4_LBLK_TO_PG and EXT4_PG_TO_LBLK for block/page conversion libaokun
2025-11-10  9:37   ` Jan Kara
2025-11-07 14:42 ` [PATCH v2 11/24] ext4: support large block size in ext4_mb_load_buddy_gfp() libaokun
2025-11-07 14:42 ` [PATCH v2 12/24] ext4: support large block size in ext4_mb_get_buddy_page_lock() libaokun
2025-11-07 14:42 ` [PATCH v2 13/24] ext4: support large block size in ext4_mb_init_cache() libaokun
2025-11-07 14:42 ` [PATCH v2 14/24] ext4: prepare buddy cache inode for BS > PS with large folios libaokun
2025-11-07 14:42 ` [PATCH v2 15/24] ext4: rename 'page' references to 'folio' in multi-block allocator libaokun
2025-11-07 14:42 ` [PATCH v2 16/24] ext4: support large block size in ext4_mpage_readpages() libaokun
2025-11-07 14:42 ` [PATCH v2 17/24] ext4: support large block size in ext4_block_write_begin() libaokun
2025-11-07 14:42 ` [PATCH v2 18/24] ext4: support large block size in mpage_map_and_submit_buffers() libaokun
2025-11-07 14:42 ` [PATCH v2 19/24] ext4: support large block size in mpage_prepare_extent_to_map() libaokun
2025-11-07 14:42 ` [PATCH v2 20/24] ext4: support large block size in __ext4_block_zero_page_range() libaokun
2025-11-07 14:42 ` [PATCH v2 21/24] ext4: make data=journal support large block size libaokun
2025-11-10  9:48   ` Jan Kara
2025-11-10 11:53     ` Baokun Li
2025-11-07 14:42 ` [PATCH v2 22/24] ext4: support verifying data from large folios with fs-verity libaokun
2025-11-10  9:54   ` Jan Kara
2025-11-10 12:08     ` Baokun Li
2025-11-07 14:42 ` [PATCH v2 23/24] ext4: add checks for large folio incompatibilities when BS > PS libaokun
2025-11-10  9:59   ` Jan Kara
2025-11-07 14:42 ` [PATCH v2 24/24] ext4: enable block size larger than page size libaokun
2025-11-10 10:00   ` Jan Kara
2025-11-10 12:51   ` Pankaj Raghav
2025-11-10 15:23     ` Theodore Ts'o [this message]
2025-11-11  3:31     ` Baokun Li
2025-11-10 15:16   ` Theodore Ts'o
2025-11-11  3:43     ` Baokun Li
2025-11-10  4:32 ` [PATCH v2 00/24] " Theodore Ts'o
2025-11-10  6:18   ` Baokun Li
2025-11-10 15:34   ` Pankaj Raghav
2025-11-10 17:40     ` Theodore Ts'o
2025-11-11 23:54 ` Theodore Ts'o
2025-11-12  2:19   ` Baokun Li
2025-11-12  4:02     ` Theodore Ts'o
2025-11-12  5:23       ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-11-12  6:27       ` Baokun Li
2025-11-12 15:29         ` Theodore Ts'o
2025-11-13  9:14           ` Baokun Li
2025-11-12  2:49   ` Baokun Li

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