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From: Li Chen @ 2026-03-06 8:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Theodore Ts'o, Jan Kara, Mark Fasheh, linux-ext4, ocfs2-devel,
Jan Kara, linux-kernel
Cc: Andreas Dilger, Li Chen
Provide a helper to fetch jinode dirty ranges in bytes. This lets
filesystem callbacks avoid depending on the internal representation,
preparing for a later conversion to page units.
Suggested-by: Andreas Dilger <adilger@dilger.ca>
Reviewed-by: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
Signed-off-by: Li Chen <me@linux.beauty>
---
Changes since v3:
- Add Reviewed-by: Jan Kara.
Changes since v2:
- New patch: add jbd2_jinode_get_dirty_range() helper.
include/linux/jbd2.h | 14 ++++++++++++++
1 file changed, 14 insertions(+)
diff --git a/include/linux/jbd2.h b/include/linux/jbd2.h
index a53a00d36228c..64392baf5f4b4 100644
--- a/include/linux/jbd2.h
+++ b/include/linux/jbd2.h
@@ -445,6 +445,20 @@ struct jbd2_inode {
loff_t i_dirty_end;
};
+static inline bool jbd2_jinode_get_dirty_range(const struct jbd2_inode *jinode,
+ loff_t *start, loff_t *end)
+{
+ loff_t start_byte = jinode->i_dirty_start;
+ loff_t end_byte = jinode->i_dirty_end;
+
+ if (!end_byte)
+ return false;
+
+ *start = start_byte;
+ *end = end_byte;
+ return true;
+}
+
struct jbd2_revoke_table_s;
/**
--
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From: Li Chen @ 2026-03-06 8:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Theodore Ts'o, Jan Kara, Mark Fasheh, linux-ext4, ocfs2-devel,
Andreas Dilger, linux-kernel
Cc: Li Chen
ext4 journal commit callbacks access jbd2_inode dirty range fields without
holding journal->j_list_lock.
Use jbd2_jinode_get_dirty_range() to get the range in bytes, and read
i_transaction with READ_ONCE() in the redirty check.
Suggested-by: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
Reviewed-by: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
Signed-off-by: Li Chen <me@linux.beauty>
---
Changes since v3:
- No changes.
Changes since v2:
- Use jbd2_jinode_get_dirty_range() instead of direct i_dirty_* reads.
- Drop per-caller page->byte conversion (now handled by the accessor).
Changes since v1:
- Convert the jinode dirty range from PAGE_SIZE units (pgoff_t) back to byte
offsets before passing it to writeback.
fs/ext4/inode.c | 10 ++++++++--
fs/ext4/super.c | 16 +++++++++++-----
2 files changed, 19 insertions(+), 7 deletions(-)
diff --git a/fs/ext4/inode.c b/fs/ext4/inode.c
index da96db5f23450..f87d35bda9276 100644
--- a/fs/ext4/inode.c
+++ b/fs/ext4/inode.c
@@ -3031,17 +3031,23 @@ static int ext4_writepages(struct address_space *mapping,
int ext4_normal_submit_inode_data_buffers(struct jbd2_inode *jinode)
{
+ loff_t range_start, range_end;
struct writeback_control wbc = {
.sync_mode = WB_SYNC_ALL,
.nr_to_write = LONG_MAX,
- .range_start = jinode->i_dirty_start,
- .range_end = jinode->i_dirty_end,
};
struct mpage_da_data mpd = {
.inode = jinode->i_vfs_inode,
.wbc = &wbc,
.can_map = 0,
};
+
+ if (!jbd2_jinode_get_dirty_range(jinode, &range_start, &range_end))
+ return 0;
+
+ wbc.range_start = range_start;
+ wbc.range_end = range_end;
+
return ext4_do_writepages(&mpd);
}
diff --git a/fs/ext4/super.c b/fs/ext4/super.c
index 69eb63dde9839..685951cd58394 100644
--- a/fs/ext4/super.c
+++ b/fs/ext4/super.c
@@ -521,6 +521,7 @@ static bool ext4_journalled_writepage_needs_redirty(struct jbd2_inode *jinode,
{
struct buffer_head *bh, *head;
struct journal_head *jh;
+ transaction_t *trans = READ_ONCE(jinode->i_transaction);
bh = head = folio_buffers(folio);
do {
@@ -539,7 +540,7 @@ static bool ext4_journalled_writepage_needs_redirty(struct jbd2_inode *jinode,
*/
jh = bh2jh(bh);
if (buffer_dirty(bh) ||
- (jh && (jh->b_transaction != jinode->i_transaction ||
+ (jh && (jh->b_transaction != trans ||
jh->b_next_transaction)))
return true;
} while ((bh = bh->b_this_page) != head);
@@ -550,15 +551,20 @@ static bool ext4_journalled_writepage_needs_redirty(struct jbd2_inode *jinode,
static int ext4_journalled_submit_inode_data_buffers(struct jbd2_inode *jinode)
{
struct address_space *mapping = jinode->i_vfs_inode->i_mapping;
+ loff_t range_start, range_end;
struct writeback_control wbc = {
- .sync_mode = WB_SYNC_ALL,
+ .sync_mode = WB_SYNC_ALL,
.nr_to_write = LONG_MAX,
- .range_start = jinode->i_dirty_start,
- .range_end = jinode->i_dirty_end,
- };
+ };
struct folio *folio = NULL;
int error;
+ if (!jbd2_jinode_get_dirty_range(jinode, &range_start, &range_end))
+ return 0;
+
+ wbc.range_start = range_start;
+ wbc.range_end = range_end;
+
/*
* writeback_iter() already checks for dirty pages and calls
* folio_clear_dirty_for_io(), which we want to write protect the
--
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To: Theodore Ts'o, Jan Kara, Mark Fasheh, linux-ext4, ocfs2-devel,
Joel Becker, Joseph Qi, linux-kernel
Cc: Li Chen
ocfs2 journal commit callback reads jbd2_inode dirty range fields without
holding journal->j_list_lock.
Use jbd2_jinode_get_dirty_range() to get the range in bytes.
Suggested-by: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
Reviewed-by: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
Signed-off-by: Li Chen <me@linux.beauty>
---
Changes since v3:
- Add Reviewed-by: Jan Kara.
Changes since v2:
- Use jbd2_jinode_get_dirty_range() instead of direct i_dirty_* reads.
- Drop per-caller page->byte conversion (now handled by the accessor).
fs/ocfs2/journal.c | 9 +++++++--
1 file changed, 7 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
diff --git a/fs/ocfs2/journal.c b/fs/ocfs2/journal.c
index 85239807dec78..68c2f567e6e1b 100644
--- a/fs/ocfs2/journal.c
+++ b/fs/ocfs2/journal.c
@@ -902,8 +902,13 @@ int ocfs2_journal_alloc(struct ocfs2_super *osb)
static int ocfs2_journal_submit_inode_data_buffers(struct jbd2_inode *jinode)
{
- return filemap_fdatawrite_range(jinode->i_vfs_inode->i_mapping,
- jinode->i_dirty_start, jinode->i_dirty_end);
+ struct address_space *mapping = jinode->i_vfs_inode->i_mapping;
+ loff_t range_start, range_end;
+
+ if (!jbd2_jinode_get_dirty_range(jinode, &range_start, &range_end))
+ return 0;
+
+ return filemap_fdatawrite_range(mapping, range_start, range_end);
}
int ocfs2_journal_init(struct ocfs2_super *osb, int *dirty)
--
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From: Li Chen @ 2026-03-06 8:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Theodore Ts'o, Jan Kara, Mark Fasheh, linux-ext4, ocfs2-devel,
Jan Kara, linux-kernel
Cc: Li Chen
jbd2_inode fields are updated under journal->j_list_lock, but some paths
read them without holding the lock (e.g. fast commit helpers and ordered
truncate helpers).
READ_ONCE() alone is not sufficient for the dirty range fields when they
are stored as loff_t because 32-bit platforms can observe torn loads.
Store the dirty range in PAGE_SIZE units as pgoff_t instead.
Represent the dirty range end as an exclusive end page. This avoids a
special sentinel value and keeps MAX_LFS_FILESIZE on 32-bit representable.
Publish a new dirty range by updating end_page before start_page, and
treat start_page >= end_page as empty in the accessor for robustness.
Use READ_ONCE() on the read side and WRITE_ONCE() on the write side for the
dirty range and i_flags to match the existing lockless access pattern.
Suggested-by: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
Reviewed-by: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
Signed-off-by: Li Chen <me@linux.beauty>
---
Changes since v3:
- Store i_dirty_end_page as an exclusive end page and drop the sentinel.
- Publish end_page before start_page and treat start_page >= end_page as
empty in the accessor.
- Document the empty-range encoding and publication ordering in comments.
Changes since v2:
- Rename i_dirty_start/end to i_dirty_start_page/end_page.
- Use jbd2_jinode_get_dirty_range() for byte conversions in commit paths.
fs/jbd2/commit.c | 55 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++----------
fs/jbd2/journal.c | 5 ++--
fs/jbd2/transaction.c | 21 +++++++++++------
include/linux/jbd2.h | 34 ++++++++++++++++----------
4 files changed, 80 insertions(+), 35 deletions(-)
diff --git a/fs/jbd2/commit.c b/fs/jbd2/commit.c
index 7203d2d2624d7..8cf61e7185c44 100644
--- a/fs/jbd2/commit.c
+++ b/fs/jbd2/commit.c
@@ -180,7 +180,13 @@ static int journal_wait_on_commit_record(journal_t *journal,
/* Send all the data buffers related to an inode */
int jbd2_submit_inode_data(journal_t *journal, struct jbd2_inode *jinode)
{
- if (!jinode || !(jinode->i_flags & JI_WRITE_DATA))
+ unsigned long flags;
+
+ if (!jinode)
+ return 0;
+
+ flags = READ_ONCE(jinode->i_flags);
+ if (!(flags & JI_WRITE_DATA))
return 0;
trace_jbd2_submit_inode_data(jinode->i_vfs_inode);
@@ -191,12 +197,30 @@ EXPORT_SYMBOL(jbd2_submit_inode_data);
int jbd2_wait_inode_data(journal_t *journal, struct jbd2_inode *jinode)
{
- if (!jinode || !(jinode->i_flags & JI_WAIT_DATA) ||
- !jinode->i_vfs_inode || !jinode->i_vfs_inode->i_mapping)
+ struct address_space *mapping;
+ struct inode *inode;
+ unsigned long flags;
+ loff_t start_byte, end_byte;
+
+ if (!jinode)
+ return 0;
+
+ flags = READ_ONCE(jinode->i_flags);
+ if (!(flags & JI_WAIT_DATA))
+ return 0;
+
+ inode = jinode->i_vfs_inode;
+ if (!inode)
+ return 0;
+
+ mapping = inode->i_mapping;
+ if (!mapping)
+ return 0;
+
+ if (!jbd2_jinode_get_dirty_range(jinode, &start_byte, &end_byte))
return 0;
return filemap_fdatawait_range_keep_errors(
- jinode->i_vfs_inode->i_mapping, jinode->i_dirty_start,
- jinode->i_dirty_end);
+ mapping, start_byte, end_byte);
}
EXPORT_SYMBOL(jbd2_wait_inode_data);
@@ -218,7 +242,8 @@ static int journal_submit_data_buffers(journal_t *journal,
list_for_each_entry(jinode, &commit_transaction->t_inode_list, i_list) {
if (!(jinode->i_flags & JI_WRITE_DATA))
continue;
- jinode->i_flags |= JI_COMMIT_RUNNING;
+ WRITE_ONCE(jinode->i_flags,
+ jinode->i_flags | JI_COMMIT_RUNNING);
spin_unlock(&journal->j_list_lock);
/* submit the inode data buffers. */
trace_jbd2_submit_inode_data(jinode->i_vfs_inode);
@@ -229,7 +254,8 @@ static int journal_submit_data_buffers(journal_t *journal,
}
spin_lock(&journal->j_list_lock);
J_ASSERT(jinode->i_transaction == commit_transaction);
- jinode->i_flags &= ~JI_COMMIT_RUNNING;
+ WRITE_ONCE(jinode->i_flags,
+ jinode->i_flags & ~JI_COMMIT_RUNNING);
smp_mb();
wake_up_bit(&jinode->i_flags, __JI_COMMIT_RUNNING);
}
@@ -240,10 +266,13 @@ static int journal_submit_data_buffers(journal_t *journal,
int jbd2_journal_finish_inode_data_buffers(struct jbd2_inode *jinode)
{
struct address_space *mapping = jinode->i_vfs_inode->i_mapping;
+ loff_t start_byte, end_byte;
+
+ if (!jbd2_jinode_get_dirty_range(jinode, &start_byte, &end_byte))
+ return 0;
return filemap_fdatawait_range_keep_errors(mapping,
- jinode->i_dirty_start,
- jinode->i_dirty_end);
+ start_byte, end_byte);
}
/*
@@ -262,7 +291,7 @@ static int journal_finish_inode_data_buffers(journal_t *journal,
list_for_each_entry(jinode, &commit_transaction->t_inode_list, i_list) {
if (!(jinode->i_flags & JI_WAIT_DATA))
continue;
- jinode->i_flags |= JI_COMMIT_RUNNING;
+ WRITE_ONCE(jinode->i_flags, jinode->i_flags | JI_COMMIT_RUNNING);
spin_unlock(&journal->j_list_lock);
/* wait for the inode data buffers writeout. */
if (journal->j_finish_inode_data_buffers) {
@@ -272,7 +301,7 @@ static int journal_finish_inode_data_buffers(journal_t *journal,
}
cond_resched();
spin_lock(&journal->j_list_lock);
- jinode->i_flags &= ~JI_COMMIT_RUNNING;
+ WRITE_ONCE(jinode->i_flags, jinode->i_flags & ~JI_COMMIT_RUNNING);
smp_mb();
wake_up_bit(&jinode->i_flags, __JI_COMMIT_RUNNING);
}
@@ -288,8 +317,8 @@ static int journal_finish_inode_data_buffers(journal_t *journal,
&jinode->i_transaction->t_inode_list);
} else {
jinode->i_transaction = NULL;
- jinode->i_dirty_start = 0;
- jinode->i_dirty_end = 0;
+ WRITE_ONCE(jinode->i_dirty_start_page, 0);
+ WRITE_ONCE(jinode->i_dirty_end_page, 0);
}
}
spin_unlock(&journal->j_list_lock);
diff --git a/fs/jbd2/journal.c b/fs/jbd2/journal.c
index c973162d5b316..0bf09aa900277 100644
--- a/fs/jbd2/journal.c
+++ b/fs/jbd2/journal.c
@@ -3020,8 +3020,8 @@ void jbd2_journal_init_jbd_inode(struct jbd2_inode *jinode, struct inode *inode)
jinode->i_next_transaction = NULL;
jinode->i_vfs_inode = inode;
jinode->i_flags = 0;
- jinode->i_dirty_start = 0;
- jinode->i_dirty_end = 0;
+ jinode->i_dirty_start_page = 0;
+ jinode->i_dirty_end_page = 0;
INIT_LIST_HEAD(&jinode->i_list);
}
@@ -3178,4 +3178,3 @@ MODULE_DESCRIPTION("Generic filesystem journal-writing module");
MODULE_LICENSE("GPL");
module_init(journal_init);
module_exit(journal_exit);
-
diff --git a/fs/jbd2/transaction.c b/fs/jbd2/transaction.c
index dca4b5d8aaaa3..17709ecdd22c0 100644
--- a/fs/jbd2/transaction.c
+++ b/fs/jbd2/transaction.c
@@ -2646,6 +2646,7 @@ static int jbd2_journal_file_inode(handle_t *handle, struct jbd2_inode *jinode,
{
transaction_t *transaction = handle->h_transaction;
journal_t *journal;
+ pgoff_t start_page, end_page;
if (is_handle_aborted(handle))
return -EROFS;
@@ -2654,15 +2655,21 @@ static int jbd2_journal_file_inode(handle_t *handle, struct jbd2_inode *jinode,
jbd2_debug(4, "Adding inode %lu, tid:%d\n", jinode->i_vfs_inode->i_ino,
transaction->t_tid);
+ start_page = (pgoff_t)(start_byte >> PAGE_SHIFT);
+ end_page = (pgoff_t)(end_byte >> PAGE_SHIFT) + 1;
+
spin_lock(&journal->j_list_lock);
- jinode->i_flags |= flags;
+ WRITE_ONCE(jinode->i_flags, jinode->i_flags | flags);
- if (jinode->i_dirty_end) {
- jinode->i_dirty_start = min(jinode->i_dirty_start, start_byte);
- jinode->i_dirty_end = max(jinode->i_dirty_end, end_byte);
+ if (jinode->i_dirty_start_page != jinode->i_dirty_end_page) {
+ WRITE_ONCE(jinode->i_dirty_start_page,
+ min(jinode->i_dirty_start_page, start_page));
+ WRITE_ONCE(jinode->i_dirty_end_page,
+ max(jinode->i_dirty_end_page, end_page));
} else {
- jinode->i_dirty_start = start_byte;
- jinode->i_dirty_end = end_byte;
+ /* Publish a new non-empty range by making end visible first. */
+ WRITE_ONCE(jinode->i_dirty_end_page, end_page);
+ WRITE_ONCE(jinode->i_dirty_start_page, start_page);
}
/* Is inode already attached where we need it? */
@@ -2739,7 +2746,7 @@ int jbd2_journal_begin_ordered_truncate(journal_t *journal,
int ret = 0;
/* This is a quick check to avoid locking if not necessary */
- if (!jinode->i_transaction)
+ if (!READ_ONCE(jinode->i_transaction))
goto out;
/* Locks are here just to force reading of recent values, it is
* enough that the transaction was not committing before we started
diff --git a/include/linux/jbd2.h b/include/linux/jbd2.h
index 64392baf5f4b4..7e785aa6d35d6 100644
--- a/include/linux/jbd2.h
+++ b/include/linux/jbd2.h
@@ -429,33 +429,43 @@ struct jbd2_inode {
unsigned long i_flags;
/**
- * @i_dirty_start:
+ * @i_dirty_start_page:
+ *
+ * Dirty range start in PAGE_SIZE units.
+ *
+ * The dirty range is empty if @i_dirty_start_page is greater than or
+ * equal to @i_dirty_end_page.
*
- * Offset in bytes where the dirty range for this inode starts.
* [j_list_lock]
*/
- loff_t i_dirty_start;
+ pgoff_t i_dirty_start_page;
/**
- * @i_dirty_end:
+ * @i_dirty_end_page:
+ *
+ * Dirty range end in PAGE_SIZE units (exclusive).
*
- * Inclusive offset in bytes where the dirty range for this inode
- * ends. [j_list_lock]
+ * [j_list_lock]
*/
- loff_t i_dirty_end;
+ pgoff_t i_dirty_end_page;
};
+/*
+ * Lockless readers treat start_page >= end_page as an empty range.
+ * Writers publish a new non-empty range by storing i_dirty_end_page before
+ * i_dirty_start_page.
+ */
static inline bool jbd2_jinode_get_dirty_range(const struct jbd2_inode *jinode,
loff_t *start, loff_t *end)
{
- loff_t start_byte = jinode->i_dirty_start;
- loff_t end_byte = jinode->i_dirty_end;
+ pgoff_t start_page = READ_ONCE(jinode->i_dirty_start_page);
+ pgoff_t end_page = READ_ONCE(jinode->i_dirty_end_page);
- if (!end_byte)
+ if (start_page >= end_page)
return false;
- *start = start_byte;
- *end = end_byte;
+ *start = (loff_t)start_page << PAGE_SHIFT;
+ *end = ((loff_t)end_page << PAGE_SHIFT) - 1;
return true;
}
--
2.53.0
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From: Li Chen @ 2026-04-08 2:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Theodore Ts'o, Jan Kara, Mark Fasheh, linux-ext4, ocfs2-devel
Cc: Andreas Dilger, Joel Becker, Joseph Qi, linux-kernel
Hi,
Just a gentle ping on this series posted on March 6, 2026.
The current v4 has Reviewed-by tags from Jan on all four patches.
If there are no further concerns, could you please consider it for
merging?
I'm happy to resend if that would help.
Thanks,
Li
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From: Li Chen @ 2026-04-08 2:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Theodore Ts'o, Jan Kara, Mark Fasheh, linux-ext4, ocfs2-devel
Cc: Andreas Dilger, Joel Becker, Joseph Qi, linux-kernel
Hi,
One more note: if there are any remaining concerns or comments on the
series, please let me know and I'll address them promptly.
Thanks,
Li
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