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From: Eric Sandeen <sandeen@redhat.com>
To: Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>
Cc: Andreas Dilger <adilger@sun.com>, linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: How to fix up mballoc
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 12:43:47 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4A68A153.8030804@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090723134538.GC8040@mit.edu>

Theodore Tso wrote:
> So I started looking to see how we might be able to improve mballoc to
> avoid freespace fragmentation, and I came up with the following high
> level design.  Does this look sane?   Have I overlooked anything?
> 
> 1) In ext4_mb_normalize_request(), if the inode that we are allocating
> does not have any open file descriptors for write (i.e., it's already
> closed and we're allocating via delalloc) _and_ the inode was
> previously opened with O_CREAT and without O_APPEND (checked via a
> flag in EXT4_I(inode)), then do not normalize the size to a power of
> two, but rather to the filesystem blocksize.
> 
> The idea here is that we should be trying to find an exact fit, since
> most of the time (except for log files, which get appended; hence the
> O_CREAT && !O_APPEND test) once a file is written, that is probably
> the final size for the file.  So normalizing the size for the
> preallocation area to a power of two will be counterproductive for
> most files.

I'm sort of woefully ignorant of a lot of the mballoc stuff.

When you say once a file is written that's probably the final size... do
you mean when writes are done and it's closed, or when the first write
to the file is complete?

I think an awful lot of normal cases write to a file in sub-file-sized
chunks (think mp3 or flac encoding, file downloading, etc).

Also, I get the !O_APPEND test, but is O_CREAT necessary?  I wonder how
much of a hint that really gives us.

> 2) If the there has been less than X files opened in Y jiffies the
> parent directory (using the dentry path used to open the file), then
> do not set EXT4_MB_HINT_GROUP_ALLOC in ext4_mb_group_or_file().  We
> can simulate this for without creating this patch to test #1 by
> setting mb_stream_request to 0 (which should completely disable group
> preallocation).

Hm have to try hard to parse that ;)  But that sounds reasonable I think.

I'm talking to the Fedora infrastructure folks to see if there's a way
to recreate snapshots of, say, the F10 repos from initial release to
today, to be able to sort of fast-forward root filesystem updates.  It'd
be a nice way to do accelerated aging tests for any changes we make, at
least for one usecase ...

-Eric

> 						- Ted

  reply	other threads:[~2009-07-23 17:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-07-21  0:17 [PATCH] e2freefrag utility Andreas Dilger
2009-07-22  7:43 ` Theodore Tso
2009-07-23  4:59   ` Eric Sandeen
2009-07-23 13:45     ` How to fix up mballoc Theodore Tso
2009-07-23 17:43       ` Eric Sandeen [this message]
2009-07-24  0:23         ` Theodore Tso
2009-07-24  2:18           ` Eric Sandeen
2009-07-24  2:25             ` Eric Sandeen
2009-07-24  2:30           ` Andreas Dilger
2009-07-23 17:51       ` Mingming Cao
2009-07-24  0:43         ` Theodore Tso
2009-07-23 17:07     ` [PATCH] e2freefrag utility Andreas Dilger
2009-07-23 17:18       ` Eric Sandeen
2009-07-24 22:32       ` Theodore Tso
2009-07-24 23:14         ` Andreas Dilger
2009-07-25  0:18           ` Theodore Tso
2009-07-27 18:36             ` Andreas Dilger
2009-08-10  3:31               ` [PATCH 0/6] Patches to improve/fix e2freefrag Theodore Ts'o
2009-08-10  3:31               ` [PATCH 1/6] e2freefrag: Clarify e2freefrag's messages Theodore Ts'o
2009-08-10  3:31               ` [PATCH 2/6] e2freefrag: Do not print chunk-related information by default Theodore Ts'o
2009-08-10  3:31               ` [PATCH 3/6] e2freefrag: Fix to work correctly for file systems with 1kb block sizes Theodore Ts'o
2009-08-10  3:31               ` [PATCH 4/6] e2freefrag: Take into account the last free extent in the file system Theodore Ts'o
2009-08-10  3:31               ` [PATCH 5/6] Add V=1 support when linking e2freefrag in misc/Makefile.in Theodore Ts'o
2009-08-10  3:31               ` [PATCH 6/6] libext2fs: Treat uninitialized parts of bitmaps as unallocated Theodore Ts'o

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