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From: Eric Sandeen <sandeen@redhat.com>
To: Andreas Dilger <adilger@sun.com>
Cc: Greg Freemyer <greg.freemyer@gmail.com>,
	Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>,
	Ted Augustine <taugustine@techpathways.com>,
	Alexey Fisher <bug-track@fisher-privat.net>,
	linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: xt4 - True Readonly mount [WAS - Re: [Bug 14354] Bad corruption with 2.6.32-rc1 and upwards]
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 17:02:05 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4AEF64ED.1040703@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <42D1C316-13BF-401C-BB2F-A3DF62996A54@sun.com>

Andreas Dilger wrote:
> On 2009-11-02, at 14:59, Greg Freemyer wrote:
>> One example is a hardware raid array that creates readonly snapshots
>> or clones.  (Lots of those exist in the real world).
>>
>> So the typical backup procedure is:
>>
>> ====
>> Queisce application (databases, etc. have utils to do this.)
>>
>> Queisce filesystem (xfs_freeze -f can be done from userspace. is there
>> a ext4 util?)
>>
>> issue raid array command to create snapshot.
>>
>> release filesystem (xfs_freeze -u)
>>
>> release the app (util provided by app).
>>
>> Mount the snapshot readonly (true readonly with zero writes to the
>> block device).
>>
>> Backup the readonly snapshot (to tape, etc.).
> 
> I thought Takashi Sato was working on allowing a filesystem freeze
> ioctl from userspace?  This would hook into the filesystem-specific
> freeze code so that when the ioctl() returns the on-disk filesystem
> is fully consistent and does not even require journal replay.

That's in and done; most recent xfsprogs' xfs_freeze utility will even 
freeze non-xfs filesystems now :)  Otherwise a wrapper utility around 
the ioctl would be trivial to write.

>> I believe XFS had 2 issues related to this process when first
>> implemented in linux.
>>
>> 1) It required the UUID to be unique.  Obviously in the above scenario
>> it is not, so "mount -o nouuid" was added for xfs.
>>
>> 2) Journal replay was originally aways attempted in the above process,
>> so the "mount -o norecovery" option was added to force a true readonly
>> mount.

these days a frozen xfs fs should be consistent & not need replay.

-Eric

>> ext4 may already support mounting of readonly clones, but if not it
>> needs to before it will qualify as a data center ready filesystem.


  reply	other threads:[~2009-11-02 23:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-10-30 14:20 xt4 - True Readonly mount [WAS - Re: [Bug 14354] Bad corruption with 2.6.32-rc1 and upwards] Greg Freemyer
2009-10-30 15:14 ` Eric Sandeen
2009-10-30 15:31   ` Alexey Fisher
2009-10-30 16:14     ` Eric Sandeen
2009-10-30 16:52       ` Alexey Fisher
2009-10-30 17:13         ` Eric Sandeen
2009-10-30 17:43           ` Duane Griffin
2009-10-30 15:47 ` Alexey Fisher
2009-11-01  5:45 ` Theodore Tso
2009-11-02 21:59   ` Greg Freemyer
2009-11-02 22:53     ` Andreas Dilger
2009-11-02 23:02       ` Eric Sandeen [this message]
2009-11-04  8:05         ` Andreas Dilger
2009-11-04 16:20           ` Eric Sandeen
2009-11-03 13:52     ` Theodore Tso

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