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From: Ric Wheeler <ricwheeler@gmail.com>
To: Andreas Dilger <adilger.kernel@dilger.ca>
Cc: Lukas Czerner <lczerner@redhat.com>,
	linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, tytso@mit.edu, sandeen@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] e2fsck: Discard free data and inode blocks.
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 14:23:16 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4CC1D694.3040006@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6C34898A-508C-4140-A494-B279C04EDD50@dilger.ca>

  On 10/22/2010 02:17 PM, Andreas Dilger wrote:
> On 2010-10-22, at 12:01, Lukas Czerner wrote:
>>> That patch also checks for the zeroing feature.  When this patch was first under discussion, I proposed that we validate that the device is actually zeroed by doing a write a non-zero block to the disk and then calling discard+zero for that region, and reading back the block and verifying it.
>>>
>>> Eric wasn't convinced that was necessary, maybe you can convince him more...
>> One of the counter arguments was, that some devices does not preserve
>> this behavior through power cycles. I think Ted was the one talking
>> about that.
> Sure, I don't think we can handle every pathology, but doing a write/discard/read of a few blocks (when it has the potential to avoid many GB of writes for zeroing) is surely easy and worthwhile?
>
> In any case, I thought that discussion was about a device that didn't report BLKDISCARDSZEROES=1, but only that a normal DISCARD would read back zero until the next restart?  That prevents optimizations like "read until we see non-zero data, then start writing zeroes", which would still be faster for many RAID devices (or older kernels that don't have DISCARD/ZERO support at all).
>
> Cheers, Andreas

Just to further confuse things, if we just want to zero a device, there is the 
(relatively old) WRITE_SAME command that arrays use. Note that it is quite a bit 
faster than doing this from the server since you only transfer over one block of 
data and the disk firmware does the rest - no data transfer for each block once 
you start.

It can certainly take a long, long time, but would be faster than zeroing a 
drive with write() system calls :)

ric


  reply	other threads:[~2010-10-22 18:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-10-21 14:15 [PATCH] e2fsck: Discard free data and inode blocks Lukas Czerner
2010-10-21 18:07 ` Andreas Dilger
2010-10-22  9:12   ` Lukas Czerner
2010-10-22 11:30     ` Ric Wheeler
2010-10-22 11:43       ` Lukas Czerner
2010-10-22 14:12         ` Ric Wheeler
2010-10-22 14:32           ` Lukas Czerner
2010-10-22 14:46             ` Ric Wheeler
2010-10-22 15:37               ` Eric Sandeen
2010-10-22 15:41                 ` Ric Wheeler
2010-10-22 17:03                   ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-10-22 17:14                     ` Ric Wheeler
2010-10-22 17:29                       ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-10-22 18:23                     ` Eric Sandeen
2010-10-22 17:50               ` Andreas Dilger
2010-10-22 18:01                 ` Lukas Czerner
2010-10-22 18:17                   ` Andreas Dilger
2010-10-22 18:23                     ` Ric Wheeler [this message]
2010-10-22 21:19                       ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-10-22 18:29                 ` Eric Sandeen
2010-10-22 21:01                 ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-10-22 18:00             ` Andreas Dilger
2010-10-22 18:27               ` Eric Sandeen
2010-10-22 18:31                 ` Lukas Czerner
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-10-11 10:37 Lukas Czerner

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