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From: Eric Sandeen <sandeen@redhat.com>
To: Andreas Dilger <adilger.kernel@dilger.ca>
Cc: Ric Wheeler <ricwheeler@gmail.com>,
	Lukas Czerner <lczerner@redhat.com>,
	linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, tytso@mit.edu
Subject: Re: [PATCH] e2fsck: Discard free data and inode blocks.
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 13:29:41 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4CC1D815.2000808@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <386E61B0-BF4D-4F96-9541-A614F63DE808@dilger.ca>

Andreas Dilger wrote:
> On 2010-10-22, at 08:46, Ric Wheeler wrote:
>> On 10/22/2010 10:32 AM, Lukas Czerner wrote:
>>> Also there is a big win, when discard also zeroes data, because
>>> in that case we can just skip inode table initialization
>>> (zeroing) without any need of in-kernel lazyinit code enabled.
>>> And we get all this for free. It was introduced with Sandeens 
>>> patch:
>>> 
>>> http://marc.info/?l=linux-ext4&m=128234048208327&w=2
>>> 
>>> So, I would rather leave it on by default.
>> You cannot 100% depend on discard zeroing blocks - that is not a
>> universal requirement of devices that support it. Specifically, for
>> ATA devices, I think that there are optional bits that specify how
>> a device will behave when you read from a trimmed region.
> 
> That patch also checks for the zeroing feature.  When this patch was
> first under discussion, I proposed that we validate that the device
> is actually zeroed by doing a write a non-zero block to the disk and
> then calling discard+zero for that region, and reading back the block
> and verifying it.
> 
> Eric wasn't convinced that was necessary, maybe you can convince him
> more...

*grin* I wouldn't -veto- it, but I think we have to maintain a balance
between defensive programming and trying to handle every possible piece
of buggy hardware by doing too many extra gyrations in the code...

-Eric

> Cheers, Andreas


  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-10-22 18:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-10-21 14:15 [PATCH] e2fsck: Discard free data and inode blocks Lukas Czerner
2010-10-21 18:07 ` Andreas Dilger
2010-10-22  9:12   ` Lukas Czerner
2010-10-22 11:30     ` Ric Wheeler
2010-10-22 11:43       ` Lukas Czerner
2010-10-22 14:12         ` Ric Wheeler
2010-10-22 14:32           ` Lukas Czerner
2010-10-22 14:46             ` Ric Wheeler
2010-10-22 15:37               ` Eric Sandeen
2010-10-22 15:41                 ` Ric Wheeler
2010-10-22 17:03                   ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-10-22 17:14                     ` Ric Wheeler
2010-10-22 17:29                       ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-10-22 18:23                     ` Eric Sandeen
2010-10-22 17:50               ` Andreas Dilger
2010-10-22 18:01                 ` Lukas Czerner
2010-10-22 18:17                   ` Andreas Dilger
2010-10-22 18:23                     ` Ric Wheeler
2010-10-22 21:19                       ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-10-22 18:29                 ` Eric Sandeen [this message]
2010-10-22 21:01                 ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-10-22 18:00             ` Andreas Dilger
2010-10-22 18:27               ` Eric Sandeen
2010-10-22 18:31                 ` Lukas Czerner
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-10-11 10:37 Lukas Czerner

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