From: Ric Wheeler <rwheeler@redhat.com>
To: "Ted Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>
Cc: Amir Goldstein <amir73il@gmail.com>,
Bernd Schubert <bs_lists@aakef.fastmail.fm>,
linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, Bernd Schubert <bschubert@ddn.com>
Subject: Re: ext4_clear_journal_err: Filesystem error recorded from previous mount: IO failure
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 09:55:21 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4CC43AC9.8000409@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20101023221714.GB24650@thunk.org>
On 10/23/2010 06:17 PM, Ted Ts'o wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 06:00:05PM +0200, Amir Goldstein wrote:
>> IMHO, and I've said it before, the mount flag which Bernd requests
>> already exists, namely 'errors=', both as mount option and as
>> persistent default, but it is not enforced correctly on mount time.
>> If an administrator decides that the correct behavior when error is
>> detected is abort or remount-ro, what's the sense it letting the
>> filesystem mount read-write without fixing the problem?
> Again, consider the case of the root filesystem containing an error.
> When the error is first discovered during the source of the system's
> operation, and it's set to errors=panic, you want to immediately
> reboot the system. But then, when root file system is mounted, it
> would be bad to have the system immediately panic again. Instead,
> what you want to have happen is to allow e2fsck to run, correct the
> file system errors, and then system can go back to normal operation.
>
> So the current behavior was deliberately designed to be the way that
> it is, and the difference is between "what do you do when you come
> across a file system error", which is what the errors= mount option is
> all about, and "this file system has some kind of error associated
> with it". Just because it has an error associated with it does not
> mean that immediately rebooting is the right thing to do, even if the
> file system is set to "errors=panic". In fact, in the case of a root
> file system, it is manifestly the wrong thing to do. If we did what
> you suggested, then the system would be trapped in a reboot loop
> forever.
>
> - Ted
I am still fuzzy on the use case here.
In any shared ext* file system (pacemaker or other), you have some basic rules:
* you cannot have the file system mounted on more than one node
* failover must fence out any other nodes before starting recovery
* failover (once the node is assured that it is uniquely mounting the file
system) must do any recovery required to clean up the state
Using ext* (or xfs) in an active/passive cluster with fail over rules that
follow the above is really common today.
I don't see what the use case here is - are we trying to pretend that pacemaker
+ ext* allows us to have a single, shared file system in a cluster mounted on
multiple nodes?
Why not use ocfs2 or gfs2 for that?
Thanks!
Ric
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-10-24 13:54 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-10-22 13:33 ext4_clear_journal_err: Filesystem error recorded from previous mount: IO failure Bernd Schubert
2010-10-22 17:25 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-10-22 17:42 ` Bernd Schubert
2010-10-22 18:32 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-10-22 18:54 ` Bernd Schubert
2010-10-23 16:00 ` Amir Goldstein
2010-10-23 17:46 ` Bernd Schubert
2010-10-23 22:26 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-10-23 23:56 ` Bernd Schubert
2010-10-24 0:20 ` Bernd Schubert
2010-10-24 1:08 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-10-24 14:42 ` Bernd Schubert
2010-10-23 22:17 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-10-24 8:50 ` Amir Goldstein
2010-10-24 13:55 ` Ric Wheeler [this message]
2010-10-24 14:30 ` Bernd Schubert
2010-10-24 15:20 ` Ric Wheeler
2010-10-24 15:39 ` Bernd Schubert
2010-10-24 15:49 ` Ric Wheeler
2010-10-24 16:16 ` Bernd Schubert
2010-10-24 16:43 ` Ric Wheeler
2010-10-25 10:14 ` Andreas Dilger
2010-10-25 11:45 ` Ric Wheeler
2010-10-25 12:54 ` Ric Wheeler
2010-10-25 14:57 ` Andreas Dilger
2010-10-25 19:49 ` Ric Wheeler
2010-10-25 20:08 ` Bernd Schubert
2010-10-25 20:10 ` Ric Wheeler
2010-10-25 19:43 ` Eric Sandeen
2010-10-25 20:37 ` Bernd Schubert
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