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From: Tao Ma <tao.ma@oracle.com>
To: Josef Bacik <josef@redhat.com>
Cc: Matthew Wilcox <matthew@wil.cx>,
	Lukas Czerner <lczerner@redhat.com>,
	tytso@mit.edu, linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	hch@infradead.org, sandeen@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] fs: Do not dispatch FITRIM through separate super_operation
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 22:36:24 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4CE539E8.2040107@oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20101118143101.GO5618@dhcp231-156.rdu.redhat.com>



On 11/18/2010 10:31 PM, Josef Bacik wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 07:19:58AM -0700, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
>> On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 08:48:04AM -0500, Josef Bacik wrote:
>>> On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 06:06:30AM -0700, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
>>>> On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 08:36:48AM +0100, Lukas Czerner wrote:
>>>>> There was concern that FITRIM ioctl is not common enough to be included
>>>>> in core vfs ioctl, as Christoph Hellwig pointed out there's no real point
>>>>> in dispatching this out to a separate vector instead of just through
>>>>> ->ioctl.
>>>>
>>>> Um, are you and Josef working independently of each other?  You don't
>>>> seem to be cc'ing each other on your patches, and you're basically doing
>>>> the same thing.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I guess they are the same thing in that we're both dealing with free'ing up
>>> space, but thats about where the similarities end.  Lukas' work is in TRIM'ing
>>> already free'd space, mine is in creating free'd space.  Plus I don't know
>>> anything nor wish to ever know anything about TRIM ;).  Thanks,
>>
>> I guess I was assuming that, on receiving a FALLOC_FL_PUNCH_HOLE, a
>> filesystem that was TRIM-aware would pass that information down to the
>> block device that it's mounted on.  I strongly feel that we shouldn't
>> have two interfaces to do essentially the same thing.
>
> But they aren't doing the same thing, his is discarding already free'd space,
> I'm enabling people to de-allocate space in the middle of files, they are two
> seperate things.  Of course if the filesystem is TRIM aware the de-allocation
> would lead to a TRIM, but not if the filesystem isn't mounted with -o discard.
> Hole punching is useful independantly of the ability to do TRIM.  Thanks,
yeah, actually, ocfs2 has implemented punching holes while we don't have 
TRIM support enabled yet.

Regards,
Tao

  reply	other threads:[~2010-11-18 14:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-11-18  7:36 [PATCH 1/2] fs: Do not dispatch FITRIM through separate super_operation Lukas Czerner
2010-11-18  7:36 ` [PATCH 2/2] ext4: Add EXT4_IOC_TRIM ioctl to handle batched discard Lukas Czerner
2010-11-19 16:19   ` Ted Ts'o
2010-11-19 16:26     ` Lukas Czerner
2010-11-20  1:37       ` Ted Ts'o
2010-11-18 13:06 ` [PATCH 1/2] fs: Do not dispatch FITRIM through separate super_operation Matthew Wilcox
2010-11-18 13:48   ` Josef Bacik
2010-11-18 14:19     ` Matthew Wilcox
2010-11-18 14:29       ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-18 17:19         ` James Bottomley
2010-11-18 17:22           ` Jeff Moyer
2010-11-18 17:41             ` James Bottomley
2010-11-18 20:04               ` Greg Freemyer
2010-11-18 21:42                 ` Mark Lord
2010-11-18 21:44                 ` Mark Lord
2010-11-18 21:50                   ` James Bottomley
2010-11-18 22:07                     ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19  1:33                       ` Ted Ts'o
2010-11-19  3:44                         ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19 13:58                           ` Jeff Moyer
2010-11-18 23:52                   ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-11-19  0:34                     ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19  1:16                       ` Greg Freemyer
2010-11-19 11:55                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-19 14:01                           ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19 14:06                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-19 14:48                               ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19 14:54                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-19 15:24                                   ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19 15:34                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-19 16:20                           ` Greg Freemyer
2010-11-19 16:38                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-19 18:06                               ` Lukas Czerner
2010-11-19 18:10                                 ` Lukas Czerner
2010-11-19 18:14                                   ` Lukas Czerner
2010-11-19 19:29                                 ` Chris Mason
2010-11-19  1:49                       ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-11-19  3:42                         ` Mark Lord
2010-11-18 18:05             ` Jamie Lokier
2010-11-18 19:32               ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2010-11-18 21:45                 ` Mark Lord
2010-11-18 21:50                   ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2010-11-18 22:09                     ` Mark Lord
2010-11-18 17:35           ` Lukas Czerner
2010-11-19 12:16             ` Steven Whitehouse
2010-11-19 13:53               ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19 14:02                 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-11-19 14:10                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-19 14:50                   ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19 15:35                   ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19 15:44                     ` Lukas Czerner
2010-11-19 16:30                       ` Ted Ts'o
2010-11-19 22:49                         ` Mark Lord
2010-11-25  2:48                         ` Mark Lord
2010-11-25  4:23                           ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-11-25 14:44                             ` Mark Lord
2010-11-25  4:41                           ` Greg Freemyer
2010-11-25 14:53                             ` Mark Lord
2010-11-25 16:24                               ` Greg Freemyer
2010-11-26 13:49                                 ` Mark Lord
2010-11-26 14:00                                   ` Lukas Czerner
     [not found]                   ` <20101119141007.GB25488@infradead.org>
2010-11-19 15:37                     ` Ted Ts'o
2010-11-19 15:50                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-19 16:16                         ` Ted Ts'o
2010-11-18 17:55           ` Chris Mason
2010-12-03 18:24             ` Ric Wheeler
2010-11-18 21:37           ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19 11:09             ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-19 13:54               ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19 14:40             ` Chris Mason
2010-11-19 14:53               ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19 14:57                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-19 15:21                   ` Mark Lord
2010-12-07  9:27                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-12-07 16:52                       ` Chris Mason
2011-06-02  4:52                         ` Kyungmin Park
2011-06-02  8:14                           ` Lukas Czerner
2011-06-03  2:06                           ` Dave Chinner
2011-06-03  4:25                             ` Kyungmin Park
2010-11-19 15:30                   ` Mark Lord
2010-11-21 19:07                 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2010-11-21 20:20                   ` James Bottomley
2010-11-18 14:31       ` Josef Bacik
2010-11-18 14:36         ` Tao Ma [this message]
2010-11-19 15:41 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-11-19 15:50   ` Christoph Hellwig

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