From: Mark Lord <kernel@teksavvy.com>
To: Greg Freemyer <greg.freemyer@gmail.com>
Cc: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@suse.de>,
Jeff Moyer <jmoyer@redhat.com>,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
Matthew Wilcox <matthew@wil.cx>, Josef Bacik <josef@redhat.com>,
Lukas Czerner <lczerner@redhat.com>,
tytso@mit.edu, linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
sandeen@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] fs: Do not dispatch FITRIM through separate super_operation
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 16:44:55 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4CE59E57.2090009@teksavvy.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim=SkqBehcCvEME7YVHk3S0dLdmBS8ooRF+-BuW@mail.gmail.com>
On 10-11-18 03:04 PM, Greg Freemyer wrote:
>
> 2) FITRIM doesn't leverage the fact the a TRIM command can handle
> multiple ranges per TRIM command payload. I haven't seen any FITRIM
> vs. wiper.sh benchmarks, so I don't know what impact that has in
> practice. Mark Lord thought that this lacking feature would cause
> FITRIM to take minutes or hours with some hardware. Especially early
> generation SSDs.
If FITRIM is still issuing single-range-at-a-time TRIMs,
then I'd call that a BUG that needs fixing. Doing TRIM like that
causes tons of unnecessary ERASE cycles, shortening the SSD lifetime.
It really needs to batch them into groups of (up to) 64 ranges at a time
(64 ranges fits into a single 512-byte parameter block).
> 3) wiper.sh does leverage the multiple ranges per TRIM command, but it
> really needs a new block layer interface that would allow it to push
> discard commands into the kernel via the block layer, not just down at
> the physical drive layer. The interface should accept multiple ranges
> per invocation and trigger TRIM commands to the SSD that have have a
> multi-range discard payload.
I think FITRIM should be doing that, and it should work for more than just ext4.
Cheers!
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-11-18 21:44 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-11-18 7:36 [PATCH 1/2] fs: Do not dispatch FITRIM through separate super_operation Lukas Czerner
2010-11-18 7:36 ` [PATCH 2/2] ext4: Add EXT4_IOC_TRIM ioctl to handle batched discard Lukas Czerner
2010-11-19 16:19 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-11-19 16:26 ` Lukas Czerner
2010-11-20 1:37 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-11-18 13:06 ` [PATCH 1/2] fs: Do not dispatch FITRIM through separate super_operation Matthew Wilcox
2010-11-18 13:48 ` Josef Bacik
2010-11-18 14:19 ` Matthew Wilcox
2010-11-18 14:29 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-18 17:19 ` James Bottomley
2010-11-18 17:22 ` Jeff Moyer
2010-11-18 17:41 ` James Bottomley
2010-11-18 20:04 ` Greg Freemyer
2010-11-18 21:42 ` Mark Lord
2010-11-18 21:44 ` Mark Lord [this message]
2010-11-18 21:50 ` James Bottomley
2010-11-18 22:07 ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19 1:33 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-11-19 3:44 ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19 13:58 ` Jeff Moyer
2010-11-18 23:52 ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-11-19 0:34 ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19 1:16 ` Greg Freemyer
2010-11-19 11:55 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-19 14:01 ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19 14:06 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-19 14:48 ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19 14:54 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-19 15:24 ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19 15:34 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-19 16:20 ` Greg Freemyer
2010-11-19 16:38 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-19 18:06 ` Lukas Czerner
2010-11-19 18:10 ` Lukas Czerner
2010-11-19 18:14 ` Lukas Czerner
2010-11-19 19:29 ` Chris Mason
2010-11-19 1:49 ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-11-19 3:42 ` Mark Lord
2010-11-18 18:05 ` Jamie Lokier
2010-11-18 19:32 ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2010-11-18 21:45 ` Mark Lord
2010-11-18 21:50 ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2010-11-18 22:09 ` Mark Lord
2010-11-18 17:35 ` Lukas Czerner
2010-11-19 12:16 ` Steven Whitehouse
2010-11-19 13:53 ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19 14:02 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-11-19 14:10 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-19 14:50 ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19 15:35 ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19 15:44 ` Lukas Czerner
2010-11-19 16:30 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-11-19 22:49 ` Mark Lord
2010-11-25 2:48 ` Mark Lord
2010-11-25 4:23 ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-11-25 14:44 ` Mark Lord
2010-11-25 4:41 ` Greg Freemyer
2010-11-25 14:53 ` Mark Lord
2010-11-25 16:24 ` Greg Freemyer
2010-11-26 13:49 ` Mark Lord
2010-11-26 14:00 ` Lukas Czerner
[not found] ` <20101119141007.GB25488@infradead.org>
2010-11-19 15:37 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-11-19 15:50 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-19 16:16 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-11-18 17:55 ` Chris Mason
2010-12-03 18:24 ` Ric Wheeler
2010-11-18 21:37 ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19 11:09 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-19 13:54 ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19 14:40 ` Chris Mason
2010-11-19 14:53 ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19 14:57 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-19 15:21 ` Mark Lord
2010-12-07 9:27 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-12-07 16:52 ` Chris Mason
2011-06-02 4:52 ` Kyungmin Park
2011-06-02 8:14 ` Lukas Czerner
2011-06-03 2:06 ` Dave Chinner
2011-06-03 4:25 ` Kyungmin Park
2010-11-19 15:30 ` Mark Lord
2010-11-21 19:07 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2010-11-21 20:20 ` James Bottomley
2010-11-18 14:31 ` Josef Bacik
2010-11-18 14:36 ` Tao Ma
2010-11-19 15:41 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-11-19 15:50 ` Christoph Hellwig
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