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From: Eric Sandeen <sandeen@redhat.com>
To: Bernd Schubert <bernd.schubert@fastmail.fm>
Cc: "Ted Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>, Jonathan Nieder <jrnieder@gmail.com>,
	linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Bug#605009: serious performance regression with ext4
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 09:54:59 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4CF3CCD3.8040608@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201011291618.25084.bernd.schubert@fastmail.fm>

On 11/29/10 9:18 AM, Bernd Schubert wrote:
> On Monday, November 29, 2010, Ted Ts'o wrote:
>> By using sync_file_range() first, for all files, this forces the
>> delayed allocation to be resolved, so all of the block bitmaps, inode
>> data structures, etc., are updated.  Then on the first fdatasync(),
>> the resulting journal commit updates all of the block bitmaps and all
>> of the inode table blocks(), and we're done.  The subsequent
>> fdatasync() calls become no-ops --- which the ftrace shell script will
>> show.
> 
> Wouldn't it make sense to modify ext4 or even the vfs to do that on close() 
> itself? Most applications expect the file to be on disk after a close anyway 

but those applications would be wrong.

http://www.flamingspork.com/talks/
Eat My Data: How Everybody Gets File IO Wrong

-Eric

> and I also don't see a good reason why one should delay a disk write-back 
> after close any longer (well, there are exeption if the application is broken, 
> for example such as ha-logd used by pacemaker, which did for each line of logs 
> an open, seek, write, flush, close sequence..., but at least we have fixed 
> that in -hg now).
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> Bernd
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-11-29 15:55 UTC|newest]

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2010-11-29  7:29           ` Bug#605009: serious performance regression with ext4 Jonathan Nieder
2010-11-29 14:44             ` Ted Ts'o
2010-11-29 15:18               ` Bernd Schubert
2010-11-29 15:37                 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-11-29 15:54                 ` Eric Sandeen [this message]
2010-11-29 16:20                   ` Bernd Schubert
2010-11-29 16:27                 ` Florian Weimer
2010-11-29 20:50                 ` Andreas Dilger

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