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From: Ric Wheeler <rwheeler@redhat.com>
To: Neil Brown <neilb@suse.de>
Cc: "Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@us.ibm.com>,
	Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>, "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
	Andreas Dilger <adilger.kernel@dilger.ca>,
	Alasdair G Kergon <agk@redhat.com>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	Mike Snitzer <snitzer@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-raid@vger.kernel.org, Keith Mannthey <kmannth@us.ibm.com>,
	dm-devel@redhat.com, Mingming Cao <cmm@us.ibm.com>,
	Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Josef Bacik <josef@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 0/4] ext4: Coordinate data-only flush requests sent by fsync
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 19:48:52 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4CF449F4.3010303@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20101130113906.176ffcad@notabene.brown>

On 11/29/2010 07:39 PM, Neil Brown wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Nov 2010 14:05:36 -0800 "Darrick J. Wong"<djwong@us.ibm.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On certain types of hardware, issuing a write cache flush takes a considerable
>> amount of time.  Typically, these are simple storage systems with write cache
>> enabled and no battery to save that cache after a power failure.  When we
>> encounter a system with many I/O threads that write data and then call fsync
>> after more transactions accumulate, ext4_sync_file performs a data-only flush,
>> the performance of which is suboptimal because each of those threads issues its
>> own flush command to the drive instead of trying to coordinate the flush,
>> thereby wasting execution time.
>>
>> Instead of each fsync call initiating its own flush, there's now a flag to
>> indicate if (0) no flushes are ongoing, (1) we're delaying a short time to
>> collect other fsync threads, or (2) we're actually in-progress on a flush.
>>
>> So, if someone calls ext4_sync_file and no flushes are in progress, the flag
>> shifts from 0->1 and the thread delays for a short time to see if there are any
>> other threads that are close behind in ext4_sync_file.  After that wait, the
>> state transitions to 2 and the flush is issued.  Once that's done, the state
>> goes back to 0 and a completion is signalled.
> I haven't seen any of the preceding discussion do I might be missing
> something important, but this seems needlessly complex and intrusive.
> In particular, I don't like adding code to md to propagate these timings up
> to the fs, and I don't the arbitrary '2ms' number.
>
> Would it not be sufficient to simply gather flushes while a flush is pending.
> i.e
>    - if no flush is pending, set the 'flush pending' flag, submit a flush,
>      then clear the flag.
>    - if a flush is pending, then wait for it to complete, and then submit a
>      single flush on behalf of all pending flushes.
>
> That way when flush is fast, you do a flush every time, and when it is slow
> you gather multiple flushes together.
> I think it would issues a few more flushes than your scheme, but it would be
> a much neater solution.  Have you tried that and found it to be insufficient?
>
> Thanks,
> NeilBrown
>

The problem with that is that you can introduce a wait for the next flush longer 
than it would take to complete the flush. Having the wait adjust itself 
according to the speed of the device is much better I think....

Ric


  reply	other threads:[~2010-11-30  0:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-11-29 22:05 [PATCH v6 0/4] ext4: Coordinate data-only flush requests sent by fsync Darrick J. Wong
2010-11-29 22:05 ` [PATCH 1/4] block: Measure flush round-trip times and report average value Darrick J. Wong
2010-12-02  9:49   ` Lukas Czerner
2010-11-29 22:05 ` [PATCH 2/4] md: Compute average flush time from component devices Darrick J. Wong
2010-11-29 22:05 ` [PATCH 3/4] dm: " Darrick J. Wong
2010-11-30  5:21   ` Mike Snitzer
2010-11-29 22:06 ` [PATCH 4/4] ext4: Coordinate data-only flush requests sent by fsync Darrick J. Wong
2010-11-29 23:48 ` [PATCH v6 0/4] " Ric Wheeler
2010-11-30  0:19   ` Darrick J. Wong
2010-12-01  0:14   ` Mingming Cao
2010-11-30  0:39 ` Neil Brown
2010-11-30  0:48   ` Ric Wheeler [this message]
2010-11-30  1:26     ` Neil Brown
2010-11-30 23:32       ` Darrick J. Wong
2010-11-30 13:45   ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-30 13:58     ` Ric Wheeler
2010-11-30 16:43   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-30 23:31   ` Darrick J. Wong
2010-11-30 16:41 ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-01-07 23:54   ` Patch to issue pure flushes directly (Was: Re: [PATCH v6 0/4] ext4: Coordinate data-only flush requests sent) " Ted Ts'o
2011-01-08  7:45     ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]     ` <20110108074524.GA13024@lst.de>
2011-01-08 14:08       ` Tejun Heo
2011-01-04 16:27 ` [RFC PATCH v7] ext4: Coordinate data-only flush requests sent " Darrick J. Wong

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