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From: Boaz Harrosh <bharrosh@panasas.com>
To: Olaf van der Spek <olafvdspek@gmail.com>
Cc: Nick Piggin <npiggin@gmail.com>, Ted Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>,
	linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Atomic non-durable file write API
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 17:55:23 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4D17656B.7010603@panasas.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinHa1wLB6hKi_xwiQNwMb1xZs-pa1sLB=ebtjiX@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/26/2010 05:08 PM, Olaf van der Spek wrote:
>> Please tell us what for. If you have immediate need to replace the
>> name, then you need the durability of fsync. If you don't have
>> immediate need, then you can use another name, surely (until it
>> comes time you want to switch names, at that point you want
>> durability so you fsync then rename).
> 
> Temp file, rename has issues with losing meta-data.
> 

What if you use a soft link? wouldn't that solve all of your problems?

- do your fsync/fdatasync of choice in a *backend thread* then at the return
- point set to the new link, fsync the link it's very small, therefore fast.
- Then delete the old source file.

You need a simple "name-version" schema and the "name" is kept soft linked.
(You might even skip the last step above and implement an undo stack, some
 background management caps on history size)

>>
>>> and this way has other
>>> issues, like losing file meta-data.
>>

With soft links this is persevered?

Same system can be used with lots of files. where the final switch is
the set of a single soft-link say to a folder of related files.

Just me $0.017
Boaz

  reply	other threads:[~2010-12-26 15:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <AANLkTing7+SK+pavFehR4AGDbRRfFwvvzNxgWQ3zRp+O@mail.gmail.com>
2010-12-09 12:03 ` Atomic non-durable file write API Olaf van der Spek
2010-12-16 12:22   ` Olaf van der Spek
2010-12-16 20:11     ` Ric Wheeler
2010-12-18 22:15       ` Calvin Walton
2010-12-19 16:39         ` Olaf van der Spek
2010-12-23 15:49           ` Olaf van der Spek
2010-12-23 21:51             ` Neil Brown
2010-12-23 22:22               ` Ted Ts'o
     [not found]                 ` <4D13E98D.8070105@ontolinux.com>
     [not found]                   ` <20101224004825.GF12763@thunk.org>
     [not found]                     ` <4D13F09D.4010703@ontolinux.com>
     [not found]                       ` <20101224095105.GG12763@thunk.org>
2010-12-24 11:14                         ` Olaf van der Spek
2010-12-25  3:15                           ` Ted Ts'o
2010-12-25 10:41                             ` Olaf van der Spek
2010-12-25 11:33                               ` Nick Piggin
2010-12-25 15:24                                 ` Olaf van der Spek
2010-12-25 17:25                                   ` Nick Piggin
2010-12-26 15:08                                     ` Olaf van der Spek
2010-12-26 15:55                                       ` Boaz Harrosh [this message]
2010-12-26 16:02                                         ` Olaf van der Spek
2010-12-26 16:27                                           ` Boaz Harrosh
2010-12-26 18:26                                             ` Olaf van der Spek
2010-12-26 16:43                                       ` Nick Piggin
2010-12-26 18:51                                         ` Olaf van der Spek
2010-12-26 22:10                                           ` Ted Ts'o
2010-12-27  0:30                                             ` Christian Stroetmann
2010-12-27  1:04                                               ` Ted Ts'o
2010-12-27  1:30                                                 ` Christian Stroetmann
2010-12-27  2:53                                                   ` Ted Ts'o
2010-12-27 10:21                                             ` Olaf van der Spek
2010-12-27 11:07                                               ` Marco Stornelli
2010-12-27 15:30                                               ` Christian Stroetmann
2010-12-27 19:07                                                 ` Olaf van der Spek
2010-12-27 19:30                                                   ` Christian Stroetmann
2010-12-28 17:22                                                     ` Olaf van der Spek
2010-12-28 20:59                                                       ` Neil Brown
2010-12-28 22:00                                                         ` Greg Freemyer
2010-12-28 22:06                                                           ` Olaf van der Spek
2010-12-28 22:15                                                             ` Greg Freemyer
2010-12-28 22:28                                                               ` Olaf van der Spek
2010-12-28 22:35                                                               ` Neil Brown
2010-12-29 11:05                                                           ` Dave Chinner
2010-12-28 22:10                                                         ` Olaf van der Spek
2010-12-28 22:31                                                           ` Neil Brown
2010-12-28 22:54                                                             ` Olaf van der Spek
2010-12-28 23:42                                                               ` Ted Ts'o
2010-12-29  9:09                                                                 ` Olaf van der Spek
2010-12-29 15:30                                                               ` Christian Stroetmann
2010-12-29 15:41                                                                 ` Olaf van der Spek
2010-12-29 16:30                                                                   ` Christian Stroetmann
2010-12-29 17:14                                                                     ` Olaf van der Spek
2010-12-30  0:50                                                                       ` Neil Brown
2011-01-07 14:23                                                                         ` Olaf van der Spek
2010-12-27  4:12                                           ` Nick Piggin
2010-12-27 11:48                                             ` Olaf van der Spek
2010-12-27 12:43                                               ` Olaf van der Spek
2010-12-28  0:45                                               ` Ted Ts'o
2010-12-24 11:17               ` Olaf van der Spek
2010-12-25 21:40                 ` Neil Brown
2010-12-23 22:43             ` Dave Chinner
2010-12-23 22:47               ` Ted Ts'o
2010-12-26  9:59                 ` Amir Goldstein
2010-12-26 15:23                   ` Olaf van der Spek
2010-12-26 16:52                     ` Nick Piggin

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