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From: Eric Blake <eblake-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Eric Sandeen <sandeen-+82itfer+wXR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Dave Chinner <david-FqsqvQoI3Ljby3iVrkZq2A@public.gmane.org>,
	xfs-oss <xfs-VZNHf3L845pBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>,
	coreutils-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org,
	linux-ext4-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Markus Trippelsdorf
	<markus-xp2qqqlHh3xzoYq+O6RWwA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: Files full of zeros with coreutils-8.11 and xfs (FIEMAP related?)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 11:24:19 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4DA87F43.5040807@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110415171629.GA9088-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>

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On 04/15/2011 11:16 AM, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 10:53:48AM +0200, Jim Meyering wrote:
>> Can you or anyone else point to authoritative documentation
>> (or even a summary of those "discussions") of FIEMAP semantics?
> 
> A large part of the problem is that there's none and the semantics
> is a hode-podge of random flags that mostly make little sense
> outside of fs developers debugging the layout that we created.  The
> closest to a description is Documentation/filesystems/fiemap.txt
> in the kernel tree, but that doesn't document most of the delicate
> points.

Would it be worth borrowing from Solaris' semantics and adding SEEK_HOLE
and SEEK_DATA to lseek(2), as a higher level (less-detailed, but easier
to define and easier to use) interface for discovering the regions of a
file that only contain NUL bytes?  FIEMAP is a great interface at
exposing everything possible, but coreutils doesn't necessarily need all
that complexity just for determining when it is safe to skip over a
portion of a file that is either unallocated or unchanged from the
initial 0 contents.

-- 
Eric Blake   eblake-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org    +1-801-349-2682
Libvirt virtualization library http://libvirt.org


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  parent reply	other threads:[~2011-04-15 17:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20110414102608.GA1678@x4.trippels.de>
     [not found] ` <20110414120635.GB1678@x4.trippels.de>
     [not found]   ` <20110414140222.GB1679@x4.trippels.de>
     [not found]     ` <20110414140222.GB1679-tLCgZGx+iJ+kxVt8IV0GqQ@public.gmane.org>
2011-04-14 14:59       ` Files full of zeros with coreutils-8.11 and xfs (FIEMAP related?) Pádraig Brady
     [not found]         ` <4DA70BD3.1070409-V8g9lnOeT5ydJdNcDFJN0w@public.gmane.org>
2011-04-14 15:50           ` Eric Sandeen
     [not found]             ` <4DA717B2.3020305-+82itfer+wXR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2011-04-14 15:52               ` Pádraig Brady
2011-04-14 15:56                 ` Eric Sandeen
2011-04-14 16:03                   ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-04-14 16:14                     ` Eric Sandeen
     [not found]                     ` <20110414160343.GA12787-tLCgZGx+iJ+kxVt8IV0GqQ@public.gmane.org>
2011-04-14 16:21                       ` Yongqiang Yang
     [not found]                         ` <BANLkTimRxvBMp9M7zwiUY_UmmFOY5N58+A-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2011-04-14 16:28                           ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-04-14 16:31                             ` Eric Sandeen
2011-04-14 16:48                               ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2011-04-14 16:49                                 ` Eric Sandeen
2011-04-14 16:04                   ` Yongqiang Yang
2011-04-14 16:10                     ` Yongqiang Yang
     [not found]                       ` <BANLkTimoLeWMJgNFGW+zdeUeJyZ-_+8fMQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2011-05-05 11:29                         ` Pádraig Brady
2011-05-05 11:47                           ` Yongqiang Yang
     [not found]                 ` <4DA7182B.8050409-V8g9lnOeT5ydJdNcDFJN0w@public.gmane.org>
2011-04-14 17:27                   ` Jim Meyering
2011-04-14 19:13                     ` Pádraig Brady
     [not found]                     ` <878vvcspz0.fsf-CybKA8TIZ99x3y/oJEDuiw@public.gmane.org>
2011-04-14 19:39                       ` Jim Meyering
2011-04-14 22:59             ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-14 23:29               ` Pádraig Brady
2011-04-15  0:09                 ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-15  5:01                   ` Andreas Dilger
2011-04-16  0:50                     ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-16  5:11                       ` Andreas Dilger
2011-04-16 12:21                         ` Theodore Tso
2011-04-18  0:40                           ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-18  2:45                             ` Andreas Dilger
2011-04-19  1:58                               ` Yongqiang Yang
     [not found]                                 ` <BANLkTin=WEpSf6ddiOMNMOpCPP-wiEttSw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2011-04-19  2:59                                   ` Ted Ts'o
     [not found]                                     ` <20110419025949.GA3030-AKGzg7BKzIDYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org>
2011-04-19  3:05                                       ` Eric Sandeen
     [not found]                                         ` <4DACFBEB.9040909-+82itfer+wXR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2011-04-21 20:12                                           ` Jim Meyering
2011-04-19  3:30                                     ` Yongqiang Yang
2011-04-19  4:14                                     ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-19  5:27                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-04-19  3:44                                 ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-19  6:53                                   ` Yongqiang Yang
2011-04-19  7:45                                     ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-19  8:11                                       ` Yongqiang Yang
2011-04-19 14:05                                         ` Eric Sandeen
2011-04-19 14:09                                       ` Ted Ts'o
2011-04-19 14:13                                         ` Eric Sandeen
2011-04-19 16:01                                           ` Ted Ts'o
2011-04-20  1:53                                             ` Yongqiang Yang
2011-04-20 15:21                                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-04-20 17:21                                               ` Ted Ts'o
     [not found]                                         ` <20110419140909.GD3030-AKGzg7BKzIDYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org>
2011-04-19 21:08                                           ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-20 15:29                                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-04-16  6:05                       ` Yongqiang Yang
2011-04-18  0:35                         ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-15  8:53                   ` Jim Meyering
2011-04-15 17:16                     ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]                       ` <20110415171629.GA9088-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2011-04-15 17:24                         ` Eric Blake [this message]
2011-04-15 17:26                           ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]                             ` <20110415172603.GA20086-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2011-04-15 22:28                               ` Andreas Dilger
2011-04-16  0:25                                 ` Dave Chinner
     [not found] ` <20110414102608.GA1678-tLCgZGx+iJ+kxVt8IV0GqQ@public.gmane.org>
2011-04-20 14:39   ` Jim Meyering
     [not found]     ` <87d3khugv1.fsf-CybKA8TIZ99x3y/oJEDuiw@public.gmane.org>
2011-04-21 20:01       ` Jim Meyering

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