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From: Toshiyuki Okajima <toshi.okajima@jp.fujitsu.com>
To: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
Cc: toshi.okajima@jp.fujitsu.com, Ted Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>,
	Masayoshi MIZUMA <m.mizuma@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Andreas Dilger <adilger.kernel@dilger.ca>,
	linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	sandeen@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH] Re: [BUG] ext4: cannot unfreeze a filesystem due to a deadlock
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 18:43:16 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4DAD5934.1030901@jp.fujitsu.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110418105105.GB5557@quack.suse.cz>

Hi,

(2011/04/18 19:51), Jan Kara wrote:
> On Mon 18-04-11 18:05:01, Toshiyuki Okajima wrote:
>>> On Fri 15-04-11 22:39:07, Toshiyuki Okajima wrote:
>>>>>    For ext3 or ext4 without delayed allocation we block inside writepage()
>>>>> function. But as I wrote to Dave Chinner, ->page_mkwrite() should probably
>>>>> get modified to block while minor-faulting the page on frozen fs because
>>>>> when blocks are already allocated we may skip starting a transaction and so
>>>>> we could possibly modify the filesystem.
>>>> OK. I think ->page_mkwrite() should also block writing the minor-faulting pages.
>>>>
>>>> (minor-pagefault)
>>>> ->   do_wp_page()
>>>>     ->   page_mkwrite(= ext4_mkwrite())
>>>>        =>   BLOCK!
>>>>
>>>> (major-pagefault)
>>>> ->   do_liner_fault()
>>>>     ->   page_mkwrite(= ext4_mkwrite())
>>>>        =>   BLOCK!
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mizuma-san's reproducer also writes the data which maps to the file (mmap).
>>>>>>>> The original problem happens after the fsfreeze operation is done.
>>>>>>>> I understand the normal write operation (not mmap) can be blocked while
>>>>>>>> fsfreezing. So, I guess we don't always block all the write operation
>>>>>>>> while fsfreezing.
>>>>>>>    Technically speaking, we block all the transaction starts which means we
>>>>>>> end up blocking all the writes from going to disk. But that does not mean
>>>>>>> we block all the writes from going to in-memory cache - as you properly
>>>>>>> note the mmap case is one of such exceptions.
>>>>>> Hm, I also think we can allow the writes to in-memory cache but we can't allow
>>>>>> the writes to disk while fsfreezing. I am considering that mmap path can
>>>>>> write to disk while fsfreezing because this deadlock problem happens after
>>>>>> fsfreeze operation is done...
>>>>>    I'm sorry I don't understand now - are you speaking about the case above
>>>>> when writepage() does not wait for filesystem being frozen or something
>>>>> else?
>>>> Sorry, I didn't understand around the page fault path.
>>>> So, I had read the kernel source code around it, then I maybe understand...
>>>>
>>>> I worry whether we can update the file data in mmap case while fsfreezing.
>>>> Of course, I understand that we can write to in-memory cache, and it is not a
>>>> problem. However, if we can write to disk while fsfreezing, it is a problem.
>>>> So, I summarize the cases whether we can write to disk or not.
>>>>
>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> Cases (Whether we can write the data mmapped to the file on the disk
>>>> while fsfreezing)
>>>>
>>>> [1] One of the page which has been mmapped is not bound. And
>>>>   the page is not allocated yet. (major fault?)
>>>>
>>>>     (1) user dirtys a page
>>>>     (2) a page fault occurs (do_page_fault)
>>>>     (3) __do_falut is called.
>>>>     (4) ext4_page_mkwrite is called
>>>>     (5) ext4_write_begin is called
>>>>     (6) ext4_journal_start_sb       =>   We can STOP!
>>>>
>>>> [2] One of the page which has been mmapped is not bound. But
>>>>   the page is already allocated, and the buffer_heads of the page
>>>>   are not mapped (BH_Mapped).  (minor fault?)
>>>>
>>>>     (1) user dirtys a page
>>>>     (2) a page fault occurs (do_page_fault)
>>>>     (3) do_wp_page is called.
>>>>     (4) ext4_page_mkwrite is called
>>>>     (5) ext4_write_begin is called
>>>>     (6) ext4_journal_start_sb       =>   We can STOP!
>>>>
>>>> [3] One of the page which has been mmapped is not bound. But
>>>>   the page is already allocated, and the buffer_heads of the page
>>>>   are mapped (BH_Mapped).  (minor fault?)
>>>>
>>>>     (1) user dirtys a page
>>>>     (2) a page fault occurs (do_page_fault)
>>>>     (3) do_wp_page is called.
>>>>     (4) ext4_page_mkwrite is called
>>>>     * Cannot block the dirty page to be written because all bh is mapped.
>>>>     (5) user munmaps the page (munmap)
>>>>     (6) zap_pte_range dirtys the page (struct page) which is pte_dirtyed.
>>>>     (7) writeback thread writes the page (struct page) to disk
>>>>                                             =>   We cannot STOP!
>>>>
>>>> [4] One of the page which has been mmapped is bound. And
>>>>   the page is already allocated.
>>>>
>>>>     (1) user dirtys a page
>>>>     ( ) no page fault occurs
>>>>     (2) user munmaps the page (munmap)
>>>>     (3) zap_pte_range dirtys the page (struct page) which is pte_dirtyed.
>>>>     (4) writeback thread writes the page (struct page) to disk
>>>>                                             =>   We cannot STOP!
>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> So, we can block the cases [1], [2].
>>>> But I think we cannot block the cases [3], [4] now.
>>>> If fixing the page_mkwrite, we can also block the case [3].
>>>> But the case [4] is not blocked because no page fault occurs
>>>> when we dirty the mmapped page.
>>>>
>>>> Therefore, to repair this problem, we need to fix the cases [3], [4].
>>>> I think we must modify the writeback thread to fix the case [4].
>>>    The trick here is that when we write a page to disk, we write-protect
>>> the page (you seem to call this that "the page is bound", I'm not sure why).
>> Hm, I want to understand how to write-protect the page under fsfreezing.
>    Look at what page_mkclean() called from clear_page_dirty_for_io() does...
Thanks. I'll read that.

>
>> But, anyway, I understand we don't need to consider the case [4].
>    Yes.
>
>>> So we are guaranteed to receive a minor fault (case [3]) if user tries to
>>> modify a page after we finish writeback while freezing the filesystem.
>>> So principially all we need to do is just wait in ext4_page_mkwrite().
>> OK. I understand.
>> Are there any concrete ideas to fix this?
>> For ext4, we can rescue from the case [3] by modifying ext4_page_mkwrite().
>    Yes.
>
>> But for ext3 or other FSs, we must implement ->page_mkwrite() to prevent it?
>    Sadly I don't see a simple way to fix this issue for all filesystems at
> once. Implementing proper wait in block_page_mkwrite() should fix the issue
> for xfs. Other filesystems like GFS2 or Btrfs will have to be fixed
> separately as ext4. For ext3, we'd have to add ->page_mkwrite() support. I
> have patches for this already for some time but I have to get to properly
> testing them in more exotic conditions like 64k pages...
OK. I understand the current status of your works to fix the problem which
can be written with some data at mmap path while fsfreezing.

Thanks,
Toshiyuki Okajima


  reply	other threads:[~2011-04-19  9:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 120+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-02-07 11:53 [BUG] ext4: cannot unfreeze a filesystem due to a deadlock Masayoshi MIZUMA
2011-02-15 16:06 ` Jan Kara
2011-02-15 17:03   ` Ted Ts'o
2011-02-15 17:29     ` Jan Kara
2011-02-15 18:04       ` Ted Ts'o
2011-02-15 19:11         ` Jan Kara
2011-02-15 23:17       ` Toshiyuki Okajima
2011-02-16 14:56         ` Jan Kara
2011-02-17  3:50           ` Toshiyuki Okajima
2011-02-17  5:13             ` Andreas Dilger
2011-02-17 10:41               ` Jan Kara
2011-02-17 10:45             ` Jan Kara
2011-03-28  8:06               ` [RFC][PATCH] " Toshiyuki Okajima
2011-03-30 14:12                 ` Jan Kara
2011-03-31  8:37                   ` Yongqiang Yang
2011-03-31  8:48                     ` Yongqiang Yang
2011-03-31 14:04                     ` Eric Sandeen
2011-03-31 14:36                       ` Yongqiang Yang
2011-03-31 15:25                         ` Eric Sandeen
2011-03-31 16:28                         ` Jan Kara
2011-03-31 12:03                   ` Toshiyuki Okajima
2011-04-05 10:25                     ` Toshiyuki Okajima
2011-04-05 22:54                       ` Jan Kara
2011-04-06  5:09                         ` Toshiyuki Okajima
2011-04-06  5:57                           ` Jan Kara
2011-04-06  7:40                             ` Toshiyuki Okajima
2011-04-06 17:46                               ` Jan Kara
2011-04-15 13:39                                 ` Toshiyuki Okajima
2011-04-15 17:13                                   ` Jan Kara
2011-04-15 17:17                                     ` Eric Sandeen
2011-04-15 17:37                                       ` Jan Kara
2011-04-18  9:05                                     ` Toshiyuki Okajima
2011-04-18 10:51                                       ` Jan Kara
2011-04-19  9:43                                         ` Toshiyuki Okajima [this message]
2011-04-22  6:58                                           ` Toshiyuki Okajima
2011-04-22 21:26                                             ` Peter M. Petrakis
2011-04-22 21:40                                               ` Jan Kara
2011-04-22 22:57                                                 ` Peter M. Petrakis
2011-04-22 22:10                                             ` Jan Kara
2011-04-25  6:28                                               ` Toshiyuki Okajima
2011-05-03  8:06                                                 ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-03 11:01                                       ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-03 13:08                                         ` (unknown), Surbhi Palande
2011-05-03 13:46                                           ` your mail Jan Kara
2011-05-03 13:56                                             ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-03 15:26                                               ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-03 15:36                                               ` Jan Kara
2011-05-03 15:43                                                 ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-04 19:24                                                   ` Jan Kara
2011-05-06 15:20                                                     ` [RFC][PATCH] Do not accept a new handle when the F.S is frozen Surbhi Palande
2011-05-06 15:20                                                     ` [PATCH] Adding support to freeze and unfreeze a journal Surbhi Palande
2011-05-06 20:56                                                       ` Andreas Dilger
2011-05-07 20:04                                                         ` [PATCH v2] " Surbhi Palande
2011-05-08  8:24                                                           ` Marco Stornelli
2011-05-09  9:04                                                             ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-09  9:24                                                               ` Jan Kara
2011-05-09  9:53                                                           ` Jan Kara
2011-05-09 13:49                                                             ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-09 14:51                                                               ` [PATCH v3] " Surbhi Palande
2011-05-09 15:08                                                                 ` Jan Kara
2011-05-10 15:07                                                                   ` [PATCH] " Surbhi Palande
2011-05-10 21:07                                                                     ` Andreas Dilger
2011-05-11  7:46                                                                       ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-09 15:23                                                                 ` [PATCH v3] " Eric Sandeen
2011-05-11  7:06                                                                   ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-11  7:10                                                                     ` [PATCH] Attempt to sync the fsstress writes to a frozen F.S Surbhi Palande
2011-05-12 14:22                                                                       ` Eric Sandeen
2011-05-24 21:42                                                                       ` Ted Ts'o
2011-05-25 12:00                                                                         ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-25 12:12                                                                           ` Theodore Tso
2011-05-27 16:28                                                                             ` Jan Kara
2011-05-11  9:05                                                                     ` [PATCH v3] Adding support to freeze and unfreeze a journal Andreas Dilger
2011-05-12  9:40                                                                       ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-03 13:08                                         ` [PATCH] Prevent dirtying a page when ext4 F.S is frozen Surbhi Palande
2011-05-03 15:19                                         ` [RFC][PATCH] Re: [BUG] ext4: cannot unfreeze a filesystem due to a deadlock Jan Kara
2011-05-04 12:09                                           ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-04 19:19                                             ` Jan Kara
2011-05-04 21:34                                               ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-04 22:48                                                 ` Jan Kara
2011-05-05  6:06                                                   ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-05 11:18                                                     ` Jan Kara
2011-05-05 14:01                                                       ` Surbhi Palande
2011-03-31 23:40                 ` Dave Chinner
2011-03-31 23:53                   ` Eric Sandeen
2011-04-01 14:08                   ` Jan Kara
2011-04-06  5:40                     ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-06  6:18                       ` Jan Kara
2011-04-06 11:21                         ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-06 13:44                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-04-06 22:59                             ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-06 17:40                           ` Jan Kara
2011-04-06 22:54                             ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-08 21:33                               ` Jan Kara
2011-05-02  9:07                           ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-02 10:56                             ` Jan Kara
2011-05-02 11:27                               ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-02 12:06                                 ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-02 12:20                                 ` Jan Kara
2011-05-02 12:30                                   ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-02 13:16                                     ` Jan Kara
2011-05-02 13:22                                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-05-02 14:20                                         ` Jan Kara
2011-05-02 14:41                                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-05-02 16:23                                             ` Jan Kara
2011-05-02 16:38                                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-05-02 13:22                                       ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-02 13:24                                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-05-02 13:27                                           ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-02 14:26                                             ` Jan Kara
2011-05-02 14:04                                         ` Eric Sandeen
2011-05-03  7:27                                           ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-03 20:14                                             ` Eric Sandeen
2011-05-04  8:26                                               ` Surbhi Palande
2011-05-04 14:30                                                 ` Eric Sandeen
2011-05-02 14:01                                     ` Eric Sandeen
2011-04-05 10:44                   ` Toshiyuki Okajima
2011-12-09  1:56 ` Masayoshi MIZUMA
2011-12-15 12:41   ` Masayoshi MIZUMA
2013-11-29  4:58     ` Yongqiang Yang
2013-11-29  8:00       ` Jan Kara

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