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From: Eric Sandeen <sandeen@redhat.com>
To: "Clemens Gruber" <clemens.gruber@pqgruber.com>,
	"Lukáš Czerner" <lczerner@redhat.com>
Cc: linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Fast ext4 cleanup to avoid data loss after power failure
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2014 10:44:05 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <542EC445.5030503@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <542EC343.7090905@pqgruber.com>

On 10/3/14 10:39 AM, Clemens Gruber wrote:
> On 10/03/2014 04:08 PM, Lukáš Czerner wrote:
>> What exactly is the problem you're trying to solve ? Does it concern
>> specific application ?
> 
> It's a software to control and configure dispensing equipment in a bar.
> The problem is that power is lost frequently and the only warning is the
> mentioned GPIO about 1.5 to 2 seconds in advance, then the caps are drained.
> This happens very often and I have to prevent it from damaging the
> filesystem.
> 
> I did not mention it before, because I was not sure if it is relevant,
> but I am running Linux 3.17-rc7 on the board.
> 
>> So what you expect to happen if the power failure happens in the
>> middle of the write to the eMMC ?
> 
> With the 1.5 second delay, I'd like to stop the application, before that
> happens.
> 
>> I'd avoid the need to deal with this at all. File system
>> (journal) itself will protect you from metadata corruption (file
>> system corruption). But the application has to protect it's own
>> important files for data consistency (data=journal will not help
>> you, nor commit=1).
>>
>> The usual and simple way for the application to deal with this is to
>> use temporary file, fsync the changes to make sure that everything
>> hit the disk and then atomically rename the file to replace the
>> original. That way your file will always by in consistent state. It
>> will either have the new content, or the old one, not mix of both.
> 
> Thank you, this approach sounds good! I will change the application
> accordingly.
> So the only necessary step to do when the GPIO triggers, is to quit the
> applications writing to the eMMC. If I use that write, fsync, rename
> strategy, I guess I could even SIGKILL them.

http://lwn.net/Articles/457667/

is a good overview of data persistence best practices, FWIW.

-Eric

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  reply	other threads:[~2014-10-03 15:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 6+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-10-03 13:09 Fast ext4 cleanup to avoid data loss after power failure Clemens Gruber
2014-10-03 14:08 ` Lukáš Czerner
2014-10-03 15:39   ` Clemens Gruber
2014-10-03 15:44     ` Eric Sandeen [this message]
2014-10-04  3:47       ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-10-06 22:04         ` Clemens Gruber

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