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From: Jeff Mahoney <jeffm@suse.com>
To: Eric Sandeen <sandeen@redhat.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Raymond Jennings <shentino@gmail.com>
Cc: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org" <linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] Ext3 removal, quota & udf fixes
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2015 11:17:48 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <55E5C19C.7030809@suse.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <55E59F91.6020309@redhat.com>

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On 9/1/15 8:52 AM, Eric Sandeen wrote:
> On 8/31/15 5:39 PM, Linus Torvalds wrote:
>> On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 3:31 PM, Raymond Jennings
>> <shentino@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> That said, I wouldn't mind myself if the ext4 driver were given
>>> a very grueling regression test to make sure it can actually
>>> handle old ext3 systems as well as the ext3 driver can.
>> 
>> That's not my only worry. Things like "can you go back to
>> ext3-only" is an issue too - I don't think that's been a big
>> priority for ext4 any more, and if there are any existing
>> hold-outs that still use ext3, they may want to be able to go
>> back to old kernels.
> 
> Others have said it as well, but I'll restate: Yes, you can go
> "back."
> 
> But there's no real "going back" needed, because mounting an ext3 
> filesystem with ext4.ko hasn't "gone anywhere."  If you use
> ext4.ko, you are running with a newer driver, but not a newer disk
> format.
> 
>> So it's not just a "you can use ext4 instead" issue. Can you do
>> that *without* then forcing an upgrade forever on that partition?
>> I'm not sure the ext4 people are really even willing to guarantee
>> that kind of backwards compatibility.
> 
> Yeah, we are, I think I remember making an explicit stink about
> that quite a while ago.  But I'm satisfied; we do use
> CONFIG_EXT4_USE_FOR_EXT23 in RHEL7, and we wouldn't do that if it
> might change disk format behind our users' backs.

As a "me too" datapoint, we do the same thing with SLE12.

- -Jeff

- -- 
Jeff Mahoney
SUSE Labs
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  reply	other threads:[~2015-09-01 15:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-08-31  6:19 [GIT PULL] Ext3 removal, quota & udf fixes Jan Kara
2015-08-31 21:37 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-08-31 22:31   ` Raymond Jennings
2015-08-31 22:39     ` Linus Torvalds
2015-08-31 23:03       ` Raymond Jennings
2015-09-01  2:53       ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-09-01 12:52       ` Eric Sandeen
2015-09-01 15:17         ` Jeff Mahoney [this message]
2015-09-01  0:24     ` Raymond Jennings
2015-09-01  6:44     ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-09-01 10:29     ` Albino B Neto
2015-09-01 19:39       ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-09-01 23:58         ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-09-02 16:58           ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-09-02  3:30         ` Albino B Neto
2015-09-02  5:46           ` Raymond Jennings
2015-09-02 13:28             ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-09-02 11:58         ` Chuck Ebbert
2015-09-02 13:33           ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-09-01  0:23   ` Andreas Dilger
2015-09-02 16:52   ` Mel Gorman
2015-09-02 18:45     ` Darrick J. Wong
2015-09-02 23:47       ` Linus Torvalds
2015-09-03 11:28         ` Albino B Neto
2015-09-03 21:49           ` Darrick J. Wong
2015-09-15  5:31         ` Jan Kara
2015-09-03 18:22 ` Richard Yao
2015-09-03 18:36   ` Eric Sandeen
2015-09-03 19:13     ` Richard Yao
2015-09-03 18:36   ` Darrick J. Wong
2015-09-03 19:16     ` Richard Yao
2015-09-03 19:36       ` Darrick J. Wong
2015-09-03 22:26         ` Richard Yao

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