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From: "Stephan Müller" <smueller@chronox.de>
To: Eric Biggers <ebiggers3@gmail.com>
Cc: "Theodore Y . Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
	herbert@gondor.apana.org.au, Eric Biggers <ebiggers@google.com>,
	Alex Cope <alexcope@google.com>,
	linux-f2fs-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
	linux-fscrypt@vger.kernel.org, linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	Jaegeuk Kim <jaegeuk@kernel.org>,
	linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/6] fscrypt: use HKDF-SHA512 to derive the per-inode encryption keys
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2017 17:50:06 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6581107.6MsbyqD4B1@positron.chronox.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170713181057.GA143898@gmail.com>

Am Donnerstag, 13. Juli 2017, 20:10:57 CEST schrieb Eric Biggers:

Hi Eric,

> Hi Stephan,
> 
> On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 04:54:55PM +0200, Stephan Müller wrote:
> > Am Mittwoch, 12. Juli 2017, 23:00:32 CEST schrieb Eric Biggers:
> > 
> > Hi Herbert,
> > 
> > This patch adds a second KDF to the kernel -- the first is found in the
> > keys subsystem.
> > 
> > The next KDF that may come in is in the TLS scope.
> > 
> > Would it make sense to warm up the KDF patches adding generic KDF support
> > to the kernel crypto API that I supplied some time ago? The advantages
> > would be to have one location of KDF implementations and the benefit of
> > the testmgr.
> That may be a good idea.  Looking at the old thread, I share Herbert's
> concern (http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-crypto/msg21231.html) about
> there likely not being more than one implementation of each KDF algorithm. 
> So, perhaps some simple helper functions would be more appropriate. 
> However, making the KDFs be covered by self-tests would be very nice.

I agree that it is likely that specific KDF implementations may only be used 
once. But still, I would recommend to maintain those implementation under the 
crypto API umbrella, as KDFs are cryptographic operations.

> 
> Also, it seems your patch
> (http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-crypto/msg21137.html) doesn't allow a
> salt to be passed in.  In order to fully support HKDF, crypto_rng_reset()
> (which as I understand would be the way to invoke the "extract" step) would
> somehow need to accept both the input keying material and salt, both of
> which are arbitrary length binary.

I concur with you. I have implemented the HKDF in my libkcapi as well and saw 
the need for a salt.

Let me work on an update to the KDF patch for the kernel crypto API.

Ciao
Stephan

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  reply	other threads:[~2017-07-14 15:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-07-12 21:00 [PATCH 0/6] fscrypt: key verification and KDF improvement Eric Biggers
2017-07-12 21:00 ` [PATCH 1/6] fscrypt: add v2 encryption context and policy Eric Biggers
2017-07-13 22:29   ` Michael Halcrow
2017-07-13 22:58     ` Eric Biggers
2017-07-14 20:08       ` Andreas Dilger
2017-07-12 21:00 ` [PATCH 2/6] fscrypt: rename ->ci_master_key to ->ci_master_key_descriptor Eric Biggers
2017-07-14 15:36   ` Michael Halcrow
2017-07-12 21:00 ` [PATCH 3/6] fscrypt: use HKDF-SHA512 to derive the per-inode encryption keys Eric Biggers
2017-07-13 14:54   ` Stephan Müller
2017-07-13 16:07     ` Herbert Xu
2017-07-13 16:18       ` Stephan Müller
2017-07-13 18:10     ` Eric Biggers
2017-07-14 15:50       ` Stephan Müller [this message]
2017-07-14 16:24   ` Michael Halcrow
2017-07-14 17:11     ` Michael Halcrow
2017-07-19 17:32     ` Eric Biggers
2017-07-12 21:00 ` [PATCH 4/6] fscrypt: verify that the correct master key was supplied Eric Biggers
2017-07-14 16:40   ` Michael Halcrow via Linux-f2fs-devel
2017-07-14 17:34   ` Jeffrey Walton
2017-07-15  0:52     ` Eric Biggers
2017-07-12 21:00 ` [PATCH 5/6] fscrypt: cache the HMAC transform for each master key Eric Biggers
2017-07-17 17:45   ` Michael Halcrow
2017-07-19 17:37     ` Eric Biggers
2017-07-12 21:00 ` [PATCH 6/6] fscrypt: for v2 policies, support "fscrypt:" key prefix only Eric Biggers
2017-07-17 17:54   ` Michael Halcrow

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